BlackHwk27 Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Wondering if those who keep a civilian logbook add a .2 or .3 to the military flight time for start up, seeing how on the civilian side flight time starts from the time the engine is started, and the military logs it from the time the helicopter picks up off the ground or starts to taxi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomer Pylot Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) I've never logged any time other than flying, from skids up to skids down, either civilian or military. When I got out of the Army, I just used the time on my DD forms, in fact I used the forms instead of a logbook. While flying civilian, I've always logged collective up time, never adding anything for start or shutdown. Edited July 27, 2009 by Gomer Pylot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lyman Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I log what is on the -12. I have heard that you shouldn't try to make adjustments like that because those hiring based on flight time minimums usually know the difference and if they see "adjustments" they get confused. Having said that, I still have a hard time resiting the urge to "fix" my log book. None of my Navy time is divided up by PI, PC, or MP time. It is all PIC or SIC. The Navy never logged CP time while sitting in the back, but the Army does. For now, I basically take my sitting in the front time and transpose it into my "Consolidated Pilot Log Book" Excel spreadsheet under the First Pilot column. I do that so I can produce flight time summaries easily for annual check rides, flying course risk assessments, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 BlackHwk27 proposed "...add a .2 or .3 to the military flight time for start up, seeing how on the civilian side flight time starts from the time the engine is started". Some operators charge based on a Hobbs, but what you actually fly and log isn't the same thing as what's billed. If you flew a job that charged by the day, week and month, would you log 24, 168, or 720 hours because that was what was billed? Would you log double flight time for a twin?The intent and definitions in the regs are pretty clear. Don't adjust facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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