MuffinMan Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Couple of quick questions for you guys. Im a civilian woft applicant and am currently trying to tie up all the loose ends of my packet. My first question has to do with the timeline of my security clearance interview. Do you need the clearance before packet submission or is that dealt with after selection? My recruiter doesnt seem to know. My second question has to do with my LORs. I currently have six and Ive heard from different people to just go with your 3 best letters from high ranking WOs. Id like to keep all six because I have a nice combination of people like my former professors who knew me well and higher ranking officers and warrants.Your recruiter needs to have you fill out the SF 86 completely and you'll do an initial interview at MEPS when you get selected. My clearance took 13 months to get finalized. Hopefully yours will be more streamlined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByteFlighter Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Couple of quick questions for you guys. Im a civilian woft applicant and am currently trying to tie up all the loose ends of my packet. My first question has to do with the timeline of my security clearance interview. Do you need the clearance before packet submission or is that dealt with after selection? My recruiter doesnt seem to know. My second question has to do with my LORs. I currently have six and Ive heard from different people to just go with your 3 best letters from high ranking WOs. Id like to keep all six because I have a nice combination of people like my former professors who knew me well and higher ranking officers and warrants. Listen to what people who've gone through the WOFT program tell you. 3. Best of 3. There is a reason for this. Look back through the forums and you'll understand why. The USAREC board isn't going to read all 6 of your LORs. If they randomly just pick one to glance over (which isn't unheard of) you'll increase the odds of them picking the best ones. Not a swipe against you or your college experience, but the board could care less about what your professor has to say vs. what a Line Officer or Warrant Officer has to say, assuming you have 3 from Officers... The Clearance process will be explained to you at some point. Just fill your SF-86 out and talk it over with your recruiter. Plus, your security clearance process shouldn't really be discussed on an open forum.... What is vs. what should be, is the beast you gotta contend with during the WOFT process.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElJay Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 This isn't a WOBC date? Im not sure I know the difference. WOBC includes report date for SERE/Dunker? Because thats what Im sure my date is, even though she phrased it as flight school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Usually the flow is WOCS, WOBC A, dunker, SERE, primary, advanced, WOBC B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuffinMan Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Im not sure I know the difference. WOBC includes report date for SERE/Dunker? Because thats what Im sure my date is, even though she phrased it as flight school.WOBC is the beginning of flight school technically. Just won't be near any helicopters for a couple months. WOBC is a 3 week class, followed by dunker/HOST, followed by SERE, and then actually finding out which air frame you'll fly during common core. WOBC is always first and then order can be changed somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0331 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Is WOBC strictly aviation skills or does it include "how to army" like range time? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuffinMan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Is WOBC strictly aviation skills or does it include "how to army" like range time? MikeYou'll do a pistol qualification, but that's it as far as range time goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0331 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Is rifle qual part of WOCS/required for those of us coming in from another branch? I don't know if the army is like the USMC where you were required to have an annual rifle qual on record Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBuzzkill Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) You'll qualify every year with rifles and pistols. As far as flight school goes I remember having to qualify on both during a course called JOPD. But that course went away according to MuffinMan above it sounds like you just do M9s now. Edited November 23, 2017 by SBuzzkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElJay Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 WOBC is the beginning of flight school technically. Just won't be near any helicopters for a couple months. WOBC is a 3 week class, followed by dunker/HOST, followed by SERE, and then actually finding out which air frame you'll fly during common core. WOBC is always first and then order can be changed somewhat.I appreciate it. Sounds like that flight class date isnt mine then. Still holding out hope for the 67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuffinMan Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Is rifle qual part of WOCS/required for those of us coming in from another branch? I don't know if the army is like the USMC where you were required to have an annual rifle qual on record MikeYou won't do any firearms qualifications during WOCS at all and only a pistol qualification during WOBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0331 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Cool. How's the P320 transition going? Still all M9s? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuffinMan Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Cool. How's the P320 transition going? Still all M9s? MikeYeah, still on the M9s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaseharting Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Good luck everyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElJay Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 A few of us that post here are beginning the B Co pipeline so I, and maybe others, will try to update with the most current info being put out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krustchinsky Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Yup,I was just twiddling my thumbs at B CO yesterday. Will post the status of my declining motivation 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nola Agent Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Just wanted to ask if this guide is still pretty accurate for the most past? I know things can change often and seeing this hasn't been updated since 08/13 just has me wondering. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsey Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Ive offered to send the original .doc to anyone wanting to update it but no one stepped up. Since then Ive replaced my computer and dont have the .doc, just the pdf. But please, feel free to update. Lots of stuff has changed. Hell, everything involving an aircraft has changed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbow Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Quick question..do you have to wear the standard issue boots in WOCS? Or can you go with any brand of boot that is allowed in uniform? Asking due to being prior service and currently having no gear as of now. Would like to go ahead and break in a pair of boots before I leave if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmurray Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Anything thats authorized IAW AR 670-1 should be allowed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElJay Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Quick question..do you have to wear the standard issue boots in WOCS? Or can you go with any brand of boot that is allowed in uniform? Asking due to being prior service and currently having no gear as of now. Would like to go ahead and break in a pair of boots before I leave if possible.Definitely get you a nice pair of boots for the Ruck. Also have new or well cleaned boots for your integration day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0331 Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 The ruck is what, 5 miles in 90 minutes with 55lbs? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElJay Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 The ruck is what, 5 miles in 90 minutes with 55lbs? Mike6.2 miles in 106 minutes with 48 lbs or 30% of body weight. That is before adding your hydration system to it, so probably 7-10 lbs heavier. Id definitely practice a couple of times before going just to identify any foot issues and to gain confidence that you'll pass. Its super easy, though. If honor grad is important to you, you will want to run it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElJay Posted April 11, 2018 Report Share Posted April 11, 2018 Not sure what is going on, but this site is removing my apostrophes when I submit the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0331 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Easy peezy. 3.5ish mph pace. Mostly flat terrain I assume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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