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Rare opportunity!

 

R22 Beta II ferry from Rapid City, SD to Bar Harbor, ME and back.

Departure date January 20th, 2011. Estimated 45 to 50 hrs PIC time building @ $74/hr (fuel not included average @ $46/hr). You can share that cost with another rated pilot or even a friend... Return around January 30th, 2011.

This is truly an opportunity to fly a well maintained/equipped (see below) 2008 overhauled R22 Beta II as PIC for as cheap as it can possibly get.

 

 

Call 310-854-2555 for more information :)

 

Equipment: Dual coms, Garmin 420, CDI, Attitude Indicator, Turn & Bank Indicator, ELT 406MHZ...

PS: CFI/II available on request.

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...You can share that cost with another rated pilot or even a friend...

 

Are you offering up the ferry flight without yourself going along? If so, it's really sounding like a good offer moneywise.

 

Of course I'm not in the area or have a R22 sign-off so I'm out, but was just curious.

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Dang! that is a hell of a deal. I am not rated yet but if I could have my tax returns back by then I would try to find a CFI that would be willing to instruct me enroute (or be his friend). I deffinately have plenty of leave for it. That is almost 1/4th the price you pay for the average INTRO Flt. I can only hope to find deals like this when I am rated and if/when I am financially better off. I am in awe that you haven't had more hits on this yet!

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Rare opportunity?

 

Looks like you are wanting a pilot to pay you for your x-country joy flight or business trip not a ferry flight, because a ferry flight usually consist of leaving the aircraft at the new destination. Either way it amazes me that individuals such as yourself,companies, and aircraft owners are always trying to make money off low timers and commercial pilots or both. Company's or aircraft owners who do this are predators and are no better than schools like Silver State Helicopters who take advantage of people, their money, and their dreams. It also never seems to amazes me that a company or aircraft owner has the audacity to try and charge a pilot to reposition an aircraft and try to pass it off as a "rare opportunity", time building, or ferry flight. I don't care what it is called it is still an aircraft repositioning and a job. Therefore, either the pilot needs to be paid for their services in cash, check, money order, or (now a may be being bold here)letting the flight time be payment for the pilots services.

 

As for up and coming pilots like Gary- Mike it is better for you to use your finances at this time to pay for flight hours that will be more beneficial to you and your training instead of wasting valuable flight time, money, and lining some company's pocket or helping some CFI build his PIC time faster( and yes they are out there) by doing x-country flights. For instance, use your finances to pay for flight hours that will focus on emergency procedures,approaches, off airport landings, and radio calls which can all be done at nearby airports in your area; and will help prepare you for your check ride with the examiner. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying x-country time is not beneficial because it is. I am just saying you will get plenty of it during your training you that will allow you to be able to fly by dead reckoning, gps, etc.. plus when you become a CFI and hopefully you will, you will have plenty of opportunities to build that x-country time.

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Bama, don't know if you noticed, but its basically dirt cheap rates on the helicopter to fly the route he wants it flown. No idea why he's doing it, but he isn't riding along, so he isn't building any hours with it at all. Not a bad way for someone who wants to grab a quick 45-50 hours to do so.

 

Personally, if I already was licensed, I'd jump on it for the experience of planning and flying such a long trip. Not to mention getting away from my training area where I feel relatively comfortable with everything around. 120/hr is the cheapest time I've seen.

 

Now, if the CFI really wanted to come along and help me, I'd say he has to cover his half since he is getting hours too. Granted, I'd also expect him to charge for his time as an instructor, as well as to do some quality instruction.

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Answer to Bama269C:

 

First of all I am ATP rated both airplane and helicopter with over 3,000 hrs helo only, over 2,000 hrs turbine incl 1,000 hrs twin engine helo; also I am all current on everything incl instrument time. Usually I don't even ride along unless the renter ask for it.

So now tell me what is wrong with helping young guys building very cheap time to offset some of my ownership costs? The answer is there is nothing wrong with that...

And FYI if I wanted to go on joy flight or business trip as you suggested, I would use the TBM850 that I have at my disposal and that cruise @ 320 TAS @ 31,000 feet...

 

Nothing personal but before criticizing you should gather real information fisrt... ;)

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Tarantula it does not matter how cheap he is offering the flight time, he is advertising it as a "ferry flight" not a rental or training flight. Therefore, that is what makes many commercial pilots like myself aggravated. In addition Tarantula, why would a commercial pilot who has already spent over 70k to get their license want to pay for an extra 45-50 hrs that will not get them a job, especially, if it does not put them over 1200hrs. Also, if you are private pilot working towards your commercial you are wasting money and training time doing an extended x-country flight of 45-50 hrs.

 

Highflyerusa type ratings, hours, and endorsements do not impress me because you are just a commercial pilot like the majority of us on here. You ask "what is wrong with helping young guys build cheap time". Well nothing is wrong with helping guys out if it is an instructional flight with a CFI included in that price which is what your now stating it is, but it was not advertised as instructional flight but as a "ferry flight from Rapid City, SD to Bar Harbor, ME and back". Therefore, you should be paying the pilot for the "ferry flight" that you advertisd not the pilot paying you to offset your cost; because I dont see offshore, logging, or ENG companies telling pilots ---hey I will let you fly these logs, crew, or patient from point A to point B for $120.00 hr to help offset my cost. Why is it that we dont see companies doing this? Well is is because they actually pay the pilot for their services not the other way around.

 

So nothing personal, but before advertising something you need to make sure you are marketing it under the correct term. So instead of "ferry flight" (aka a paying job)maybe try instructional or low price rental flight in your header.

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"he is advertising it as a "ferry flight" not a rental or training flight. Therefore, that is what makes many commercial pilots like myself aggravated"

 

Get over it Bama. Maybe it doesn't make sense for YOU. It's a great price for a fun flight and I'm sure many would be happy to take advantage of the offer. There's a wide range of prices between FULL and FREE and PAID. You seem to be hung up on the phrase, "ferry flight." Who ever said "ferry flight" = paid work? Money makes these blades keep spinning, not AvGas. If you're waiting for charity from some kind aircraft owner, keep dreaming.

 

"Also, if you are private pilot working towards your commercial you are wasting money and training time doing an extended x-country flight of 45-50 hrs."

 

BS. At this discounted rate, shared between two pilots, you're getting 3-4x the flight time you could get elsewhere. More importantly, long XC flights are fantastic aviation learning experiences. After 50-60 hours, most pilots can putz around the patch and complete their maneuvers proficiently. What about making real time go/no-go decisions on weather and Mx, flight route planning, complicated airspace, different radio comms, etc. Hurl yourself halfway across the country and realize that scenarios constantly arise that have not been spoon fed to you by an instructor.

 

Edit: last but not least, extended helicopter XCs are incredibly fun! There is no better way to see our beautiful country!

 

Keep em coming, highflyer!

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280fx a "fery flight" is not a training flight or any other flight, it is exactly what it is termed a- flight delivering an aircraft for an owner or operator to its new destination, therefore, it is a job and whether you get compensated in flight time, cash, or check depends on the agreement between pilot and operator.

 

In addition, no one here is waiting on charity because I have more than earned all my total hours through the years and I am sure I had a tougher time than most on here in succeeding; and I did not do it by continuing to give money to owners or operators for said "ferry flights".

 

Plus all the valuable flight experiences you talked about gaining on this 45-50 hour trip you can usually get within 2-3 hrs of your home airport. So instead of spending that money on that x-country time the up and coming pilot should be spending it to get their instrument rating or CFI, which will be more beneficial to them in the future. Hopefully, 280fx you still being a student will realize this before you spend all your money on "rare opportunities" and become an 200-250 hour commercial pilot with no job and no CFI to get a job.

 

Also 280fx if you are worried about being spoon fed by your instructor then the only way to not to be is to fly SOLO.

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Bama, this subject has been beaten to death many, many, many, many, many times(sleepy avatar)!

 

There are people out there who will jump at the opportunity, I think it's a great one myself. There are other who won't. If you can't afford it fine, if you can, fine!

Is it worth taking out a loan for, probably not. If you are a private pilot or just finished training and have some spare cash to play with, it probably is.

I know people who were desperate enough to give Boatprix $15,000 or so after their CFII for 100 hours, which they got a job for another 100 (we will get you to 400 hours was the seller) after that and no more.

Highflyer is one of the only people out there offering ferries so cheap. I bet if you owned your own helicopter and wanted to bring it across the country, you would try to get the running cost covered. In my opinion, the way he is doing works fine, both parties win. Cheap as dirt flight time is cheap as dirt flight time. He isn't making money on it at those prices!

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Highflyerusa - So I could take your helo XC where you want it to go, and you are going to charge me approximately $120 an hour (70 something plus fuel)? You are not going to come along, so a low time CFI friend of mine and I could split the cost and both log the time, at approximately $60-$70 each? I must be missing something. This doesn't involve me dressing up as Little Bo-Peep, does it?

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Bama, while I do see your point I still think this is a great way for a low time CFI to build some hours. If a low time CFI could do a couple of these, hes got a much better chance at getting a job at 300 or so hours rather than 200. I don't see a problem with what hes doing, and would love to take him up on the opportunity in the future when I have some time off just to experience the long cross crountry part of the job.

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LOL... :) No BoPeep but the rest is absolutely correct... You and your friend will do a short check out flight with me and if you meet the safety standards you will be on your way...

If you have more questions, you can contact me directly @ 310-854-2555

 

HighFlyer, I only know of one CFII with that kind of time and happens to fly a TBM 850...and that CFII taught me how to fly starting back in 1986....but that phone number isnt his, so thats just a weird coincidence!! Just curious here, but what are your initials?

 

Years ago I would have jumped at a chance like this, I think its a great deal for someone who needs the time and in the "right" part of their training.

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The more I learn about the costs of time building and even rentals, the more I realize I would jump on this if I had the credentials. I could see myself doing this once I am licensed. I would like to think that most helo pilots are naturally adventurous. That's part of the reason I would love to do one of these flights. Build time, get more real practice and see some new places. What's not to love?

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