Fliesbecauseracecar Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Remember too, that those guys didn't pin WO1 on until the completion of flight school. It is not unheard of for guys to make PC within two years of gradutating flight school. Different airframes progress at different rates as well. I am not starting a one airframe is more difficult than another, but I can tell you that at least in Apache land, there are no day only PCs, and PC is made when they are capable of being a PC in any mission, day, NVS, NVG. All current airframes are significantly more complex than that time as well. One thing I love about Army Aviation is that in many ways it is a meritocracy. PC is a command position and if you are ready, you are given that authority and responsibility, regardless of rank. Time in grade and rank mean very little once you are airborne, whose name is on the blame line? I once caught a ride in a Hawk to the range in Korea with a 1LT PC and a WO1 PI. Back end was 3 W4s, a MAJ, and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brackac Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 I once caught a ride in a Hawk to the range in Korea with a 1LT PC and a WO1 PI. I would rather be sitting in a outpost in the Korengal Valley than get on that flight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fliesbecauseracecar Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Being a WO1 at the time, I had little choice on my transportation to the field site. But having logged hundreds of hours over the Korengal, and nearby associated valleys, I still can't decide which would be a worse place to sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d10 Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 One thing I love about Army Aviation is that in many ways it is a meritocracy. PC is a command position and if you are ready, you are given that authority and responsibility, regardless of rank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Gender has absolutely nothing to do with PIC either. Or awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fliesbecauseracecar Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Awards are a completely separate topic, and the amount of fruit salad on your ASU means very little to most folks already in, one unit could be giving away air medals and MSMs and another unit could giving awards based on rank or position. If gender is playing a role in your unit's PC program, you have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 You've honestly never seen a woman in the army get pushed ahead due to no obvious reason other than her gender? Awards are a different matter, true, but I mentioned it as another example of how rumor and sycophancy mean more than facts and logic around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocity173 Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 You've honestly never seen a woman in the army get pushed ahead due to no obvious reason other than her gender? Awards are a different matter, true, but I mentioned it as another example of how rumor and sycophancy mean more than facts and logic around here. FW program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fliesbecauseracecar Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Sure I have seen it, but not prevalent, far more prevalent is the Company Commander getting a PC designation in title only, but never scheduled as a PC at night, and during the day only with either the next person ready to take a ride, or a PC who will log the PI time. Also two of the very best Apache pilots (PCs) I have known in 13 years and 4 combat deployments were women. They excelled, one was PC ahead of me and deserved it, and the second one was an LT who was better in every way than every other PI in our unit, including the warrants, both men and women. I sat in the PC board and gave my recommendation as such. So did every other PC that had flown with her. Not surprisingly she kicked that PC ride in the ass. None of that affected me, I studied, spent time asking questions, went on every boring MTF I could get on, and generally gave my best effort to become a better pilot. When I was ready and the PCs I had been flying with recommended me, I got my PC ride. When I passed that ride, I knew I deserved it, and that the learning curve had once again shifted towards the vertical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tydaddy Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I just found this thread. My story is a complicated one, and one I've posted about on here before, but it goes a little something like this... I was supposed to ship 7/15/13. It was discovered that I had a tibial stress fracture. They were trying to RENO my contract on 7/15 so that I'd be guaranteed a new ship date, however, the MSgt was having issues getting through to USAREC so he sent me home and said they'd follow up the next day with my date. I got a call from my recruiter the next day saying that they had canceled my contract - MEPS discovered that my basic physical was out of date - and because of that, a stupid effing loophole, they couldn't RENO my contract. I also couldn't renew my physical because of my stress fracture. So I had to wait until cleared by an ortho. In October, I was finally cleared, new physical, submitted new packet and thought the turn around would be quick. Well, at this point they had just really started cranking hard on the numbers. I heard guys at Rucker were actually getting dq'd for silly things. Anyhow, I waited, and waited, and waited...nervously, knowing that in January, I would be turning 34. I contacted my recruiter about once a week. January came and so did my birthday, so I submitted an age waiver. At this point, my packet was sent up to special missions branch, finally to be reviewed. After another month, it came back that it had never been reviewed! wtf! At that point, no news was still good news. So we sent it back up, and within 2 days I had an answer. Age waiver DENIED. I actually contacted my state representative to open an official inquiry because the who situation was ridiculous. It basically came back saying that my packet, while impressive, wasn't special enough. Keep in mind, I had a personal recommendation from Maj Greenawalt, who sat over both of my boards - stating I was the most well qualified applicant he had ever interviewed. I also have a masters degree and doctorate. It's complete bullshit. I was told I can reapply next March!!!! I've had a couple other surgeries done after finding out I was denied, which is why I'm only now looking into the Guard route. Good luck fellas. I was the first one selected last year in our "group" last year, and I've seen all of the folks finish BCT, WOCS, and start the fun stuff. Lindsey et al. It's frustrating to say the least! Tyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyreaper Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 How do they discover a tibial stress fracture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akscott60 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Wow tydaddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tydaddy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 How do they discover a tibial stress fracture? Lol. Well, I physically couldn't walk without limping - and I'm a doctor of physical therapy...so I knew. Pretty ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastshot Posted November 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Does anyone know of any who HASN'T been approved an age waiver recently? It seems like nearly everyone who requests (at least on the civilian side) gets approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratose Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Have any guys in their late 30's (like 37/38/39) been approved for WOFT age waivers, or does this just NEVER happen nowadays with the drawdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockTrader Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Have any guys in their late 30's (like 37/38/39) been approved for WOFT age waivers, or does this just NEVER happen nowadays with the drawdown?Ive seen a few but they were guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tough Actin Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I would think you would have to be prior service to get that big of an age waiver. I believe 35 is the oldest you can enlist for the first time and enlistment is the first step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratose Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Ive seen a few but they were guard How long ago did you see them? What was their story (former civ pilot? Ph.D?)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N67RA Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I know this has been discussed in previous threads, but what is the latest on the age waivers? I've known many in the last year or so who have submitted and been approved, provided they had a strong packet. There is the tendency to think that the drawdown is causing many age waivers to be deneid, but is this really true?I was just approved for both the AGE and AFS waivers. A few days later I came up Q-S on the January MILPER message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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