eagle5 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I was about to strap on my kneeboard recently, when the guy I was flying with (a more experienced (tour) pilot) said that carrying a chart was for student pilots and newbies. Infering I guess that professional pilots don't carry charts, even in very busy and complex airspace (as we were about to fly in)! Personally I don't need my chart anymore I fly in the same area all the time, but you never know, so I still carry one...do you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Pig Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I don't. Not because I'm cool or experienced but I know all the airspace and I know all the freqs for anywhere I would fly. If a mission came up that required me to go long distance it would involve me coming back to the hangar to find out what's up. If I needed one I could grab it. I guess it would be just as easy to stick it in theP pocket. But as a matter of everyday life..... No. No knee board either. Just don't have the need to wrote anything down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred0311 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Why carry a chart when I can make my student strap it to his kneeboard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle5 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Because he might not want to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Maybe you should reevaluate who you believe is “experienced”………… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Hunt Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Every flight for the last 15,000 hours. How arrogant and big-headed is the dude who infers that professionals aren't prepared? he sounds like somebody who has 700 hours, has reached the stage where he thinks he knows it all, but has no idea how little he really knows. Carry a chart. Be a professional. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supergokougt Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I have my phone and an app that i try to keep updated. These both have helicopter route charts I use Avare on my android and myfltplan? for ipad mini. I carry a spare battery and chargers instead of extra books now. The only thing about avare is that it does not have the long island part to the heli chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I have my own chart subscription, so, yes- I carry paper. I've been in many spares over the years that have expired or missing charts, so I always have mine. I use paper and GPS, or whatever is available, but I've only been working this AO for 13 1/2 years and flying since 1968... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pokey Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 aren't you required to have a current chart onboard? does electronic charts count? can some one quote the reg? i fly with them out of date all the time !---- but ? i am on my way to buy a current one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroscout Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I always have a chart on hand stateside. I have to be careful with the doors off or with all the windows open. When flying fixed wing I use it a lot in flight. Rotary, not so much. I try to reference a chart before takeoff and review it after flight to solidify the chart in my mind's eye. Another 1,000 hours or so and I will break 10,000. It has only taken me 35 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomer Pylot Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Per Part 135.83, I'm required to have charts on board. So yes, I always carry charts. I don't want to lose my certificate. The charts can be electronic if the ops specs allow it, ours don't yet. One big question is the legality of flying if your EFB gets broken or otherwise dies, and you don't have paper copies of everything you need, including charts, Ops Manual, etc. That should be covered in the ops specs, I suppose. The FAA is having lots of trouble sorting this stuff out, because they aren't technically sophisticated, and really have no clue about modern electronics. Look at the mess the've made of NVG regulation. Little of it makes any real-world sense, and there is rather obviously nobody with any NVG experience making the rules. Pretty much the same for EFBs, etc. But we have to live with the rules we get. So yes, I always carry charts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retreating Brain Stall Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Most definitely, you never know when your going to be surprised by a TFR or some other unplanned event beyond your small world of control. I found myself in the middle of a TFR the other day when the tower denied takeoff/landing clearances while doing pattern work and he closed the airspace on everyone. A few colleagues of mine got trapped outside the airspace and had to divert to another airport unexpectedly for the night. Edited October 15, 2014 by Retreating Brain Stall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azhigher Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Required to carry current charts in the aircraft, we never open them though. Have a cheat sheet of local freqs in the aircraft for workover pilots, and I've got another cheat sheet of freqs, distances, and estimated fuel burn for some of the longer routes we fly. All of this is also easily found in our 430. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomer Pylot Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Yeah, I said I carry them, I didn't say I use them. They stay in the chart pocket almost all the time. I can't remember the last time I unfolded one, but I make sure they're onboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Required to carry current charts in the aircraft, we never open them though. Have a cheat sheet of local freqs in the aircraft for workover pilots, and I've got another cheat sheet of freqs, distances, and estimated fuel burn for some of the longer routes we fly. All of this is also easily found in our 430. I use paper quite a lot. Looking at paper graphic with lots of data and area depicted, puts the operation into context and relationship better than raw range and bearing, even though I know "where Jim-Bob used to be" in my area. I also draw ETE lines on charts for Level 1 trauma centers, burn, stroke and cardiac centers- I have a plan in place when I respond. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Meyrick Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I always have a chart on hand stateside. I have to be careful with the doors off or with all the windows open. Um. Not quite rotary, but there I was, twenty five years or so ago, flying along in an old Starduster biplane. Open cockpit. Over some mountains, unfamiliar area. One third tank of gas. With a passenger. Trying to fold chart. Trying... trying.... WHOOSH...!! And now my passenger in the front cockpit is leaning around, laughing his a@@ off. As I said: "Go on, laugh! Just so you know, that was my ONLY chart! Now WHERE THE HELL ARE WE...??" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroscout Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Not lost: Only momentarily disoriented ! How momentary is variable. I always try to know where I am going during takeoff and landing. In between is up for grabs. I like to look where I'm going. I don't like to look when I don't know where I'm going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle5 Posted October 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 In flight school they wanted us to always carry a chart. I can't count how many times I climbed in to see someone else's chart still there, unopened! You really should unfold it before the flight begins. Yeah, I watched a cfii try to unfold his chart once while we were flying, doors off of course...funny sight indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 In flight school they wanted us to always carry a chart. I can't count how many times I climbed in to see someone else's chart still there, unopened! You really should unfold it before the flight begins. Yeah, I watched a cfii try to unfold his chart once while we were flying, doors off of course...funny sight indeed.I thought that was why flight suits had so many pockets? (So I had a place to stash that folded chart.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azhigher Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I thought that was why flight suits had so many pockets? (So I had a place to stash that folded chart.) I thought it was for the med crew and their disassembled swiss army knife amount of gear they carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I thought it was for the med crew and their disassembled swiss army knife amount of gear they carry.We used to tell the grunts that we had so many pockets cause we needed somewhere to carry all our flight pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500E Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Allways & we have a subscription for the updates, can understand the doors off problem but folded so as to be easily followed & cliped down, whats not to like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heligirl03 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Well, hmm. I fly with a G1000, an EFB and a backup EFB, and also paper charts and docs for now. I cover a 225nm radius area so I never know where I'm going to wind up. I know the freqs in the busier areas and the Garmin is at my fingertips but the EFB gets radar/TFR updates faster through its cellular data. The wall chart is still my go-to for quick distance and heading calculations but away from base it's the EFB all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helonorth Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 TMI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous??? Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 I make a photo copy of the areas I will be flying in, so that it can fit on my knee board. Make sure you do not print from skyvector/vfrmap.com because the scale could be incorrect. If you were to pull out your diversion ruler (that every pilot has with them ) or plotter and try to come up with some numbers....they are obviously going to be way off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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