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Applying from Overseas with Moral Waiver


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Hi all,

I've been interested in flying for the military for as long as I can remember and just recently realized that it's still an option for me as a Warrant Officer in the Army. After reading and searching there are a couple issues that I haven't found much information on:

1. Does anyone have experience applying for the boards from overseas? Specifically, are there any prior Air Force guys that applied from overseas and, if so, did you have any issues with DEROS or ADSC curtailment?

2. Has anyone submitted a moral waiver? Was it approved? I received/paid a speeding ticket for doing 24 mph over the limit while on the way to my sister's wedding. I believe the total cost was $259.

I really appreciate any input you all have. This forum seems to be the best source of experience and information regarding the boards, by far. I hope to continue posting as I go through the process of completing my packet.

 

*UPDATE* Looked into my driving record to find the exact amount of the fine without admin costs/surcharges and it was well under $250. No waiver needed.

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Thanks for the reply USCav. Yeah, I definitely understand that a waiver won't help me. I'm hoping that Big Green will approve it since it's an isolated speeding incident that I learned from. I've run through multiple ways of writing about the incident but I'm not sure which way would best prove to the Army that I learned from the incident and moved to better myself afterwords.

With that said, I agree with you whole-heartedly about missing all the shots you don't take. I'm taking this one no matter what, I just want to ensure my windage and elevation are correct before I take it.

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With the way things look right now, you will really have to stand out in a big way in order to be picked up, especially with a moral waiver. Just getting that approved may be a hurdle but getting it past the board to selection will be even greater.

 

That being said, a moral waiver for speeding? I realize that 24mph over the limit is pretty excessive but I didn't realize it rose to the level of a moral waiver.

 

You will find a lot of help here if you stick around. You are really going to have to put together a good packet though, with or without a waiver, in order to hope for selection right now.

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Gee's its a traffic ticket, its not like you were caught screwing the neighbors goat! For the life of me can't see the logic were a traffic ticket would be disqualifying! Well maybe a history of such things, but one, give me a break! Look send in the packet, do your best, what is the worst that can happen to you, they say nope, so what its not the end of the world, if you still want to fly, take your GI Bill and go do it, yea the Army got all the cool stuff, but the wars are winding down and well there is going to be some down sizing due to , the debt load the country is carrying at present. Here is some advise from an old guy, never say no to yourself, you want it apply for it, let them say no! You young people are going to have a rough time of it and in more ways that you think you will!

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Gee's its a traffic ticket, its not like you were caught screwing the neighbors goat! For the life of me can't see the logic were a traffic ticket would be disqualifying! Well maybe a history of such things, but one, give me a break! Look send in the packet, do your best, what is the worst that can happen to you, they say nope, so what its not the end of the world, if you still want to fly, take your GI Bill and go do it, yea the Army got all the cool stuff, but the wars are winding down and well there is going to be some down sizing due to , the debt load the country is carrying at present. Here is some advise from an old guy, never say no to yourself, you want it apply for it, let them say no! You young people are going to have a rough time of it and in more ways that you think you will!

Great advice!

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shainbourassa, thanks for sending me the sample letter, I really appreciate it.

 

UH60L-IP, in your experience, are there certain things that stand out to board members more than others?

 

BH206L3, Im sending in my packet no matter what (as soon as AFPC gives me the go-ahead on my conditional release), I just want to refine and boost my packet as much as I can in order to have the best possible chance of being selected.

 

adnoh61B, youre right, that is great advice. All I can do is take my shot. If they say yes, awesome! If they say no, then I continue in the Air Force as a glow worm for a little longer and then try again.

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ALCON,

 

I looked into my driving record to confirm the speeding ticket information and I looked into AR 601-210, USARECR 601-91, and USARECR 601-96 to confirm the waiver requirement information and it turns out that I was mistaken; The fine for my speeding ticket was well under $250.

 

However, while reviewing DA Form 61, I noticed that block 26 asks about traffic fines of over $100 and notes that a waiver is needed if the answer is "YES". Im assuming this is because the form is from 1981 and Army regs have obviously been updated since then even though the form hasnt. Is USAREC expecting applicants to mark "NO" as long as they havent received any traffic fines over the current, higher threshold? Or are they expecting applicants to mark "YES" and just ignore the waiver requirement for traffic fines between $100 and the current threshold?

 

Maybe Im just reading way too much into this...

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I have a few speeding tickets, the recruiter I'm working with doesn't seem to regard them as an issue. I thought the threshold was considerably higher than $100, but I could be wrong... I've already turned in my DA61 so I can't look at it any more.

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Oh no, there's definitely no "ask for forgiveness later" option for me. I want to be up front about everything and take care of it on the front side.

 

The problem is that AR 601-210 and USAREC Reg 601-96 say moral waivers are required for traffic fines over $300, the USAREC site says moral waivers are required for traffic fines over $250, and the DA Form 61 says moral waivers are required for traffic fines over $100. Which one is correct?

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I did some in depth research on the web this afternoon and came across a sample application packet from the Army Reserve. It has very specific step-by-step instructions (down to individual blocks on forms). For block 26 of DA Form 61 it states the following:

 

"Block 26: Exclude traffic violations involving a fine of $250.00 or less. Over $250.00, moral waiver required, include court documentation with waiver."

 

I assumed that was the case but I wanted a specific mention of block 26 to confirm. I hope this helps anyone else with the same question.

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