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Good Afternoon Gentleman,

 

I am posting in order to enlist some help, if possible, from some of the experts in this forum. I have been searching the Web as well as attempting to contact personal in the Army for information on an Interservice transfer- although I have been running into some road blocks and could use some help.

 

A little about me-

 

I am a Marine Captain, Cobra Pilot, IP, flight lead, etc, and am VERY interested in the prospect of becoming an Army Pilot and possibly a chance at assessing into the 160th one day.

 

Information for the "Blue to Green" transition is readily available as well as information on WOFT, although I have found it quite difficult to get information on the process of conducting an IST where the end state is the resigning of my commission and then becoming a Warrant officer. Has anyone attempted this or familiar with the route to do so?

 

I have contacted Army personal via AHRC although the individual I spoke with did not deal with the flight program for warrants and advised to Contact USAREC. When doing so, I ran into some dead ends. I would greatly appreciate any info that would help guide me during this transition.

 

Thank you very much for you time.

 

 

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Oh boy! Don't let Hot Dogs read this. 😄

 

Honestly never flew with any other inter service transfers in the Army that were previous pilots. Usually it's the other way around. Having done the inter service transfer years ago from enlisted Marines to Army WO, I can tell you it was just a matter of seeing the admin chief. In my case we had a civilian working there (Miramar) and she took care of all the necessary paperwork. I went from being in the Marines one day to signing in at MEPS the next.

 

I'm really not sure you could get around the WOCS / OCS requirement in the Army. I think you'd have to attend one or the other depending on if you went warrant or commission. I'm sure you'd be able to skip flight school and go to your advanced airframe though.

 

Anyway, I'd start out by applying with your admin shop for a conditional release first. Then email a recruiter who works with OCS packets in the Army.

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Thanks for the reply! Im certainly not trying to get around any training and would be happy to go to WOCS- although im not interested OCS. My goal is a chance with the 160th and believe the Warrant route is likely best.

 

As of right now, a recruiter cannot do Officer Transfers but I will continue to look in the mean time. Thank you!

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Ok if you're looking warrant there are many threads on the inter service transfer process and of course the WOFT application.

 

Going thru the entire flight school wouldn't be that bad of a deal either. SERE and dunker would probably get waived. Most likely you'd get to fly LUHs in primary / instruments by then. With your experience you could apply to 160th as a student and then access right after graduation.

 

It's just a bit different in the Army on the whole interservice transfer thing. I had buds in the Army who went from H-60s to other airframes in the AF and CG and its a more common, streamlined process. They have specific abbreviated flight programs designed just for transfers. The Army is lacking in that area. That and the fact they don't do exchange programs with the others services or countries.

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From USAREC FAQs:

 

Q: Can a Commissioned Officer from the AF/Navy/Marine apply to through this program?

 

A: No, these interested applicants have to either resign their Commission and apply through the WOFT Program by visiting/contacting their local Army Recruiting Office or apply for an Inter-Service Transfer through Army Human Resources Command (HRC).

 

Kinda sucks from the sound of it. Drop Commission with no certainty of picking up a WOFT slot... Although I am sure you would get picked up with your history.

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adnoh61b- That is part of where I am hitting the dead end. Looks like ill need to do the IST through HRC, although ive yet to find someone that has dealt with this type of situation. I have no problem applying to WOFT as a civilian through a recruiter, although it seems to be far less "streamline" procedure.

 

USCAV19D- Yes, I am considering this move for the 160th. I'd love to be apart of such an excellent and esteemed organization. There's a lot to it, although it just comes down to wanting to be apart of the best.

 

Velocity173- Id look forward to what ever additional training I could receive, with the hopes for an opportunity to access out of advanced training.

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adnoh61b- That is part of where I am hitting the dead end. Looks like ill need to do the IST through HRC, although ive yet to find someone that has dealt with this type of situation. I have no problem applying to WOFT as a civilian through a recruiter, although it seems to be far less "streamline" procedure.

I would definitely look into the IST first, but that is just me. I couldn't imagine the service just letting you go by resigning your commission on the "hopes" of getting selected through the civilian WOFT (although I am sure you would). You can definitely still make it to 160th as a Commissioned Officer.

 

One would think USAREC could atleast give you the steps needed to take .

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Just because one can make it as an officer doesn't mean one wants to. I'd be willing to bet that this fellow here, as a captain, has already had command time. Anything past command time as an officer, regardless of branch, is going to suck. That's exactly why I want to go WOCS and not OCS.

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Just because one can make it as an officer doesn't mean one wants to. I'd be willing to bet that this fellow here, as a captain, has already had command time. Anything past command time as an officer, regardless of branch, is going to suck. That's exactly why I want to go WOCS and not OCS.

He's a Capt in the Marines. His squadron CO is probably a LtCol not a CPT like a typical Army company. Odds are he hasn't assumed command of any unit yet. He's like the equivalent to a CW2 line pilot.

 

He also wants to go WOCS. I imagine someone got a hold of him and explained the perks of warrant vs commission.

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He's a Capt in the Marines. His squadron CO is probably a LtCol not a CPT like a typical Army company. Odds are he hasn't assumed command of any unit yet. He's like the equivalent to a CW2 line pilot.

 

He also wants to go WOCS. I imagine someone got a hold of him and explained the perks of warrant vs commission.

Ah, got it. I figured the LTs would be filling out the ranks of helo pilots with CPTs in charge. So it's closer to the sort of lay out you'd have in a fixed wing Air Force or Navy squadron then, in terms of rank structure.

 

Huh.

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Trkracer,

 

Hit me up at my work email or cell. You can apply to the 160th directly, and if accepted use it as the basis for your transfer request. We have a former CH-53 Capt now flying MH-47s, another CH-46 LTC who was (for a short time) a CW2, now a CW4, plus a couple of other guys flying MH-60s and 6s. We've even had a USCG LT come assess, then come back as an Army CW2.

 

You can actually assess as a Marine Capt, then work on your inter-service transfer which we assist you in navigating the Dept of the Army personnel process. You do not attend WOC school, one day you just receive orders appointing you a CW2 in the Army and its done. You also have accelerated promotion to CW3, then join the normal progression model to CW4. Our assessment office can give you the most up to date details.

 

Mike-

michael.g.rutledge@soar.army.mil

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Trkracer,

 

Hit me up at my work email or cell. You can apply to the 160th directly, and if accepted use it as the basis for your transfer request. We have a former CH-53 Capt now flying MH-47s, another CH-46 LTC who was (for a short time) a CW2, now a CW4, plus a couple of other guys flying MH-60s and 6s. We've even had a USCG LT come assess, then come back as an Army CW2.

 

You can actually assess as a Marine Capt, then work on your inter-service transfer which we assist you in navigating the Dept of the Army personnel process. You do not attend WOC school, one day you just receive orders appointing you a CW2 in the Army and its done. You also have accelerated promotion to CW3, then join the normal progression model to CW4. Our assessment office can give you the most up to date details.

 

Mike-

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How is that reduction in pay handled, going from O5 to CW2? Just curious, I'm certainly no field grade officer.

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The Army is lacking in that area. That and the fact they don't do exchange programs with the others services or countries.

 

 

There are lots of exchanges: UK, Australia, Singapore....just to name a few. I had a German Bundeswehr IP in BCS and a Dutch IP in nights as well.

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How is that reduction in pay handled, going from O5 to CW2? Just curious, I'm certainly no field grade officer.

Would you rather fly or get $8K in base pay? For me, no amount of money is worth sitting in an office in TRADOC making another worthless powerpoint slide.

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There are lots of exchanges: UK, Australia, Singapore....just to name a few. I had a German Bundeswehr IP in BCS and a Dutch IP in nights as well.

Yeah I worked with a German IP and Norwegian IPs at Lowe as well. I'm talking about Army Aviators going to different countries to work. Having a limited opening for a 60 MTP in Australia or Instructing MI-17s in Afghanistan isn't the same as the exchange agreements that the other services have. For instance my friend flew SH-60s in the Navy. He did an exchange flying H-3s in Canada for a couple years while they sent one of their H-3 pilots to fly SH-60s in the Navy for a couple of years.

 

I know on the FW side of other branches they do transfers as well. Never seen an Army Aviator go fly H-60s in the AF temporally and then return to their unit.

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Would you rather fly or get $8K in base pay? For me, no amount of money is worth sitting in an office in TRADOC making another worthless powerpoint slide.

While true, I thought there was some sort of program in place to keep the higher pay in place for people reverting to a lower paying grade.

 

It could be that it is only available for high-ranking, long-serving NCOs going warrant or getting a commission where doing so would actually cause a loss in pay.

 

And let's face it: the LTCs are making slides. That's what they have majors and captains for.

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Call me crazy, but don't you need to hold that rank for a few years prior to retirement? You can't be a colonel for six months and retire with O6 pay.

I think the minimum is 1 year.

 

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Retiring Officers Above the Grade of Warrant Officer Who Have Been the Subject of Adverse Information Since Their Last Promotion

An officer above the rank of warrant officer retires in the highest grade satisfactorily served, not necessarily the grade held the day before placement on the retired list.

When an officer applies for retirement, HRC reviews the officer's file to see if there is any adverse information generated since the officer's last promotion. If there is, AR 15-80 requires HRC to refer the officer's case to the AGDRB. Even if there is no adverse information in the OMPF, the officer's command or branch can refer the officer for a grade determination if there is adverse information reflecting conduct since the last promotion that is not required to be filed in the OMPF. The AGDRB will notify the officer what information the AGDRB will consider and provide the officer an opportunity to submit matters in support of retiring in their current grade. The officer does not have a right to appear before the AGDRB.

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Call me crazy, but don't you need to hold that rank for a few years prior to retirement? You can't be a colonel for six months and retire with O6 pay.

You get paid the average from your highest three years of service. Base pay of course. For someone who served 20 yrs they take 50 % of that and cut a paycheck (minus taxes) monthly.

 

If one does the 15 yr $ 30,000 bonus option you get 40 % of your high three salary for serving a minimum of 20 yrs.

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Call me crazy, but don't you need to hold that rank for a few years prior to retirement? You can't be a colonel for six months and retire with O6 pay.

 

Retirement pay and retirement rank are separate things. Pay is based on high 3 (for most of us). Rank for RLO's requires 2 years minimum at that rank. Besides which, you won't see someone survive the promotion board to make it to COL and then bail out 6 months later, not with a 30% selection rate anyway.

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Yeah I worked with a German IP and Norwegian IPs at Lowe as well. I'm talking about Army Aviators going to different countries to work. Having a limited opening for a 60 MTP in Australia or Instructing MI-17s in Afghanistan isn't the same as the exchange agreements that the other services have. For instance my friend flew SH-60s in the Navy. He did an exchange flying H-3s in Canada for a couple years while they sent one of their H-3 pilots to fly SH-60s in the Navy for a couple of years.

 

I know on the FW side of other branches they do transfers as well. Never seen an Army Aviator go fly H-60s in the AF temporally and then return to their unit.

 

Why would anyone want to go to an air farce unit?

 

Army aviators do go to different countries to fly. Check with your branch manager at HRC if you're interested.

 

http://www.stripes.com/news/apaches-in-arms-american-helo-pilot-serves-with-u-k-counterparts-1.90419

 

http://www.army.mil/article/131987/Global_exchange_unites_flight_test_community/

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