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"Army officials say moving Apaches to the active ranks would allow them to deploy more often"

 

 

Baaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

 

We've been deployment ready for the last three years and have not been given the opportunity. AND the war is winding down anyways, right?

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"Army officials say moving Apaches to the active ranks would allow them to deploy more often"

 

 

Baaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

 

We've been deployment ready for the last three years and have not been given the opportunity. AND the war is winding down anyways, right?

youre just mad imma take your Apache.
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"Army officials say moving Apaches to the active ranks would allow them to deploy more often"

 

 

Baaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

 

We've been deployment ready for the last three years and have not been given the opportunity. AND the war is winding down anyways, right?

It's a different pool of money and deploying national gaurd can be political at a local level. Active duty units are postured to deploy more rapidly and don't require federal activation orders or train up and validation like national gaurd units.

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It's a different pool of money and deploying national gaurd can be political at a local level. Active duty units are postured to deploy more rapidly and don't require federal activation orders or train up and validation like national gaurd units.

Not trying to start a pissing match or anything but most national guard units deploy more often. In my state we are on an average of about 1.5 year rotation, as aviation.

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It's a different pool of money and deploying national gaurd can be political at a local level. Active duty units are postured to deploy more rapidly and don't require federal activation orders or train up and validation like national gaurd units.

Train up and validation? Do tell...
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It's a different pool of money and deploying national gaurd can be political at a local level. Active duty units are postured to deploy more rapidly and don't require federal activation orders or train up and validation like national gaurd units.

Active units get validated at JRTC and NTC, Respectfully sir you are incorrect.

 

Also, NG units don't deploy as often as 10th Mtn. 82nd or 101st :)

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Active units get validated at JRTC and NTC, Respectfully sir you are incorrect.

 

Also, NG units don't deploy as often as 10th Mtn. 82nd or 101st :)

The difference is active units go to JRTC and NTC at a minimum, annually regardless of deployment schedules. They don't require special activation and that associated training.

 

Active army units, specifically certain units. I.e Campbell, Bragg and now Hawaii are postured to go in the case that they need to be rapidly deployed overseas.

 

Not taking away from the NG, but, most gaurd units with the exception of national disasters are not prepared to do that.

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Not trying to start a pissing match or anything but most national guard units deploy more often. In my state we are on an average of about 1.5 year rotation, as aviation.

 

I'd like to see where you pulled your numbers from

When you say "most" NG units deploy more often. I'm also not counting the BS trips to Kosovo and Kuwait as deployments because we all know they are not.

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Does anybody know where can I find information on the timeline for the Lakota and Ft Rucker? Everything I've found just says some time in FY15 Lakotas will become the Army's primary trainer aircraft. You'd think there would be something more solid since we're in FY15. Thanks in advance.

At Quad-A in May, Rucker's commander said the first Lakota class will begin in "mid-2015."

 

Rumor has it that Bell came along and offered to replace our whole fleet with brand new helicopters for half the cost of the Lakota contract. I have no idea what model they offered though.

505 Jet Ranger X.

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The difference is active units go to JRTC and NTC at a minimum, annually regardless of deployment schedules. They don't require special activation and that associated training.

 

Active army units, specifically certain units. I.e Campbell, Bragg and now Hawaii are postured to go in the case that they need to be rapidly deployed overseas.

 

Not taking away from the NG, but, most gaurd units with the exception of national disasters are not prepared to do that.

Well I was 10th Mtn so I wouldn't know what a non-deployment schedule would look like.

 

You're correct, those units, plus others, are postured to be deployment ready, however, there is a lot more that goes into it ie which brigades are at that point in their training cycle. Part of that combat ready status is getting validated at NTC and JRTC which is part of the training cycle.

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I'd like to see where you pulled your numbers from

When you say "most" NG units deploy more often. I'm also not counting the BS trips to Kosovo and Kuwait as deployments because we all know they are not.

The Guard unit (a light cav squadron) that I transitioned to after active duty has deployed I believe three times since GWOT started. One was a trip to Kuwait, plus one to Afghanistan and one to Iraq. Regardless of the destination, they count any time away from home as part of the deployment. So when the unit went down to Ft. Bliss to certify for a few months before shipping overseas, that counted for their year. Now that GWOT is kind of ending, active duty is getting a lot more of those advise and assist missions that were previously going to the Guard. For example, my squadron was supposed to go to Jordan to train their army before a rotation to Afghanistan. In the end it was cancelled and the mission was given to an active duty BCT because they were in the ARFORGEN chute.

 

Guard and Reserves deploy, and some of them deploy a lot. Some of them deploy and do great things in combat, and some f**k everything up (looking at you, Oklahoma). Certainly none of them deploy as often as an active duty BCT, nor with a constant cycle to the hottest spots of warzones.

 

I speak only of non-aviation units.

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Well I was 10th Mtn so I wouldn't know what a non-deployment schedule would look like.

 

You're correct, those units, plus others, are postured to be deployment ready, however, there is a lot more that goes into it ie which brigades are at that point in their training cycle. Part of that combat ready status is getting validated at NTC and JRTC which is part of the training cycle.

Guard works into ARFORGEN as well.

 

It's cycle is just typically longer than active duty. They're trying to work in more dwell time between deployments now.

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I'd like to see where you pulled your numbers from

When you say "most" NG units deploy more often. I'm also not counting the BS trips to Kosovo and Kuwait as deployments because we all know they are not.

Until you as active duty are put on those and then you will call it a real deployment? Dude you always have a piss poor attitude and the fact you can disrespect the Guard because we are tasked to do missions that active doesn't want or doesn't take (Kosovo, Egypt, Kuwait) doesn't make them any less off a deployment. We are still away from home, in another country. Counts as a deployment in my book. Combat tours are going away....

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Deployment, like it or not, has come to mean going to a place where people are trying to kill you. A trip to a place like Arifjan or Bondsteel is more like an unaccompanied tour in Korea than anything else. Telling someone who has been on multiple combat tours that a rotation to Kosovo counts all the same is going to get you jeered at.

 

Yeah, you'd may technically be right. But you'd still look stupid doing it.

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I have 2 ground combat tours, so I do agree with you that comparing the two are not the same. While the guard does do combat tours, they are going away. That is the same for active as well. So when they are almost all gone and active is at home training and the guard are away on missions that the active won't take, it's annoying to be dismissed as though it's nothing.

With that being said, my point of view is that while active is always ready and can just get in a plane and go, guard has to deal with a whole civilian side of things as well. That's why I look at those as deployments.

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They've got what, six or so Lakota's on the flightline right now? What percentage of the current TH-67 IPs have gone through the transition? Is there even a Course Management Plan (or Flight Training Guide) for the Lakota yet? I'm pretty certain the maintenance support for the Lakota isn't completely in place yet and there is plenty of training for the maintainers to undergo as well. I simply don't see the logistics falling into place for that kind of a timeline.

 

Mid-2015 sounds really optimistic. They might be able to pull off some small classes in the Lakota by then but my guess is that a full transition is going to take longer than they currently say.

 

I could be wrong though so we'll see. I've just yet to see the Army (or government in general) meet a timeline.

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Until you as active duty are put on those and then you will call it a real deployment? Dude you always have a piss poor attitude and the fact you can disrespect the Guard because we are tasked to do missions that active doesn't want or doesn't take (Kosovo, Egypt, Kuwait) doesn't make them any less off a deployment. We are still away from home, in another country. Counts as a deployment in my book. Combat tours are going away....

 

Pardon my attitude

 

I did Bosnia and Kosovo with the guard, before I went active. I can assure you it wasn't a deployment. Sorry if you don't like my attitude but I call it as I see it. I had about a quarter of the free time in Iraq and Afghanistan than what I had in the Balkans rotations. I agree, you can call it a deployment but I call it an overseas tour.

 

It's not that active duty is disregarding the guard, I could care less what component you or anyone else serves in. I'll make fun of anybody that says a tour to Qatar, Djibouti, Kosovo or Kuwait is a deployment.

 

The guard does good things, I think they have a difficult job, especially considering they have one foot in the military and the other as a civilian. I dunno where all this gaurd defensiveness is coming from?

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It's not that active duty is disregarding the guard, I could care less what component you or anyone else serves in. I'll make fun of anybody that says a tour to Qatar, Djibouti, Kosovo or Kuwait is a deployment.

 

The guard does good things, I think they have a difficult job, especially considering they have one foot in the military and the other as a civilian. I dunno where all this gaurd defensiveness is coming from?

 

I have a buddy from high school that became an Amtracker in the Marines about the same time I became a scout. I talked to him on Facebook a few years ago as I was getting ready for deployment numero dos. Specifically, I asked him if he has been deployed yet.

 

Yep, he said.

 

Helmand?

 

Nah, Okinawa.

 

I laughed pretty hard at that one.

 

The Guard gets a lot of sh*t from active duty guys who still see them as the jokers who tried to take down John Rambo, or the living embodiment of that one shitty unit that comes onto their post or AO downrange and f*cks everything up. My squadron RIPed with a Oklahoma NG brigade in Laghman in 2012. The guys there were all sorts of f*cked up, and I could write a book about how they screwed up at several fundamental levels during their rotation... To me, the Oklahoma guard is how I pictured all Guard units to be. So I was naturally all keyed up for my first drill in Wisconsin after I transitioned over. To my surprise they were well equipped and professional, as good as any scouts I served with on Active duty.

 

Few Active guys get a chance to work with the Guard or make the jump into their ranks. If I hadn't switched, even just to keep my TIS up in college, I'd still think they suck. They're also keenly aware of this, and get rather defensive about the attitude that AD has towards them, even when no AD are around.

 

But none of that has anything to do with the fact that Bosnia is not a f*cking deployment. It's pretty much a hardship OCONUS tour.

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As with any unit, NG or active it's performance is a direct reflection of the leadership both officer and NCOS.

 

I was in an Airborne LRSD guard unit who were the bastards of the division, but, we had amazing leadership so we did good stuff.

 

I have friends all over the military, a friend of mine in the navy has done tours all over the world and he refers to them as "tours" not deployments. Even if he is conducting missions.

 

Being away from your family or putting your civilian job on hold doesn't constitute a deployment. I'm not putting down the gaurd at all or disregarding thier significance I do however disagree with water rooster on his use of the word deployment.

 

The most dangerous thing I did in Bosnia was driving on shitty roads in the winter or drink in civilian clothes in downtown sarevo.

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