CharyouTree Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 They've got what, six or so Lakota's on the flightline right now? What percentage of the current TH-67 IPs have gone through the transition? Is there even a Course Management Plan (or Flight Training Guide) for the Lakota yet? I'm pretty certain the maintenance support for the Lakota isn't completely in place yet and there is plenty of training for the maintainers to undergo as well. I simply don't see the logistics falling into place for that kind of a timeline. Mid-2015 sounds really optimistic. They might be able to pull off some small classes in the Lakota by then but my guess is that a full transition is going to take longer than they currently say. I could be wrong though so we'll see. I've just yet to see the Army (or government in general) meet a timeline. How I understand it's going to roll out: For example, Ranger flight IPs (Not sure if just morning, or both groups) stop teaching. They transition. They finish, (presumably get validated...), and then start teaching. One class/flight. The next group of IPs does the same thing. It's going to take quite some time to get all of the IPs through, especially while trying to cause minimal disruption to output. I've also heard that the MMI (Mast moment indicator) is going to be a HUGE issue. So, that will be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel5187 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 How I understand it's going to roll out: For example, Ranger flight IPs (Not sure if just morning, or both groups) stop teaching. They transition. They finish, (presumably get validated...), and then start teaching. One class/flight. The next group of IPs does the same thing. It's going to take quite some time to get all of the IPs through, especially while trying to cause minimal disruption to output. I've also heard that the MMI (Mast moment indicator) is going to be a HUGE issue. So, that will be fun.Considering output will be diminished due to lower selection rates in WOCS, I doubt there will be many disruptions. My class is at 38 Candidates right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsey Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 I've also heard that the MMI (Mast moment indicator) is going to be a HUGE issue.I've heard the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Mast Moment in the 72 sucks bad. It's a problem for everyone but for students learning how to do slopes and all the other fun maneuvers - get ready for many many PLs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdogs Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yep, he said. Helmand? Nah, Okinawa. I laughed pretty hard at that one. ....while probably still in the category of Bosnia or Kuwait, a UDP or 31st MEU gig out there isn't exactly always on Okinawa playing Xbox and drinking Sake - if you know what I mean. You probably would end up in any number of SE Asian countries or L class ships depending on time of year, and how bad N. Korea is starving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akscott60 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 We supported some Whiskey guys here in the ROK a few months ago. Those were some rough birds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdogs Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 We supported some Whiskey guys here in the ROK a few months ago. Those were some rough birds Yup, getting north of 20-25 years for most, plus the amount that were rebuilt from old T models. Desert Storm, 10 years of saltwater corrosion on boats, and 14 years in Iraq, Afghanistan, and simultaneous MEU deployments will do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zVo Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's official: the UH-72 simulators are at Rucker. I'm down here for some PME course and the building I'm in is sharing it with a few of them. Supposedly they're operational. It was addressed earlier, but I wonder if URS is going to have the contract for training going into the transition and what that means for transitioning the current IPs. Moreover, I wonder what they're going to do with all the big simulators they use for instrument training... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urs151 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 The latest that we've heard is that IP's are going to start going through the transition course in October 2015. The first student class in fiscal 2016 will be held back while the IP's go through this transition. As far as the simulators are concerned, the Navy is interested in purchasing them (rumor has it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Has the army written a -10 for the 72 yet? The old Eurocopter RFM is pretty bad, definitely not written in the army style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharyouTree Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 DES still has the Rfm on their Ako page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 DES still has the Rfm on their Ako page.I'll take that as a 'no' then. At least the ATM is well written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linc Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Isn't there something about it being FAA-certified that requires the OEM RFM? I'm pretty sure that is why I was issued an "Operator's Supplement" to learn the TH-67 all those years ago rather than being taught the RFM, or issued an RFM ($265/ea as of 09/2014 times every student, times every year, times every revision notice=budget/standards nightmare). The Operator's Supplement was a classic Army workaround to create a document that was configured like a -10 but utilized RFM information. At least the LUH pilots are being exposed to an RFM before they get out into the commercial market. This supplement was prepared by the United States Army Aviation Center as asupplement to the FAA approved Flight Manual. The FAA approved Flight Manual and this supplement must be carried aboard the helicopter any time it is operated. Compliance with this supplement will assure compliance with all FAA designated "limitations". -TH-67 Operator's Supplement, para 1-1.2, page 1-1 Edited January 19, 2015 by Linc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel5187 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 It's official: the UH-72 simulators are at Rucker. I'm down here for some PME course and the building I'm in is sharing it with a few of them. Supposedly they're operational. It was addressed earlier, but I wonder if URS is going to have the contract for training going into the transition and what that means for transitioning the current IPs. Moreover, I wonder what they're going to do with all the big simulators they use for instrument training...Please PM me with their location, I'll be going to B Co pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urs151 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 As of two days ago the timeline for IP's has not changed. MOI personnel are currently finishing their training. Management will start their initial training in the next month. The first student class for fiscal yr 2016 this October is cancelled because the first group of primary IP's will start the transition course then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-sonn Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Any recent info on this topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_P148 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 2017-2018 is when the proposed LUH flight school changes will occur. Subject to changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboshaft Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Update here: http://aviationweek.com/awin-only/airbus-begins-new-lakota-training-helo-deliveries-us-army 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradewinds Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Update here: http://aviationweek.com/awin-only/airbus-begins-new-lakota-training-helo-deliveries-us-army Looks like the first class to train on the Lakota will be in 2016. Sounds like those reporting in Jan. 2016 could be among the first by the time they get to IERW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantankerously Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I flew in the back of a Lakota in Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akscott60 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 PL somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I flew in the back of a Lakota in Tuesday. How did you enjoy being shoe horned into that tiny little seat in that tiny little cabin? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akscott60 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 How did you enjoy being shoe horned into that tiny little seat in that tiny little cabin? I barely fit in the back of one. Had to hunch over since I am too tall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantankerously Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 PL somewhere?RT572 solo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apacheguy Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I barely fit in the back of one. Had to hunch over since I am too tall. LOL, I know it. Worst VIP aircraft the army ever bought. Well at least the cockpit seats are big and comfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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