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Damn dude, so many people online right now we need a chat room. It's been a good convo but I gotta get up for WOAC PT in the morning. FML...

 

Are you in the same class as Kutlik?

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apacheguy.... sure if you say so.

 

Not trying to talk crap here but the fact is that we generally didn't have the time to wait when the troops really needed us in a pinch. When the apaches were there they were great for the support, but I would say that was about 20% of the time (not including the bag and trash missions) that we could have used them.

 

Blackhawks provide the med-chase (and therefore gun support) for most medevac missions because the apaches are simply too slow. When I was doing an air assault it was over about 75% of the time before the apaches arrived. When I was inserting rangers in the middle of the night we didn't even bother - we were flying too low and too fast for the apaches to make a difference. When I was flying down a valley and was called by a ground force commander to pick up troops in contact, there was no time to wait for the apaches. There are a heck of a lot more hawks than there are apaches. Sheer numbers will tell anyone that they are therefore not going to be able to cover all of the lift missions, even the ones that could use gun support.

 

I am not knocking the apaches. They are great. But to say that there is not a lift mission without the guns is a gross misrepresentation of reality. Hawks are quite often their own gun support, and the gun support for other hawks.

All I know is a two short years ago it didn't happen in RC East, whether it was 58's or 64's, not only the ring routes but also the alphabet agency missions, I will be leaving soon for another round along with all my peers I met last time around....hawks and hooks

 

Lindsey, go with your gut...I knew people that were dead set on a particular airframe all the way up the day of selection of when their name was called and they picked something else. I do fly the E, and have made many friends flying in my CAB that I flew with last time around that were very happy to have us there with them on ring routes or whatever they were doing that night, just like the customer was happy they weren't on a contract flight or in a convoy.....

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I thought you had already picked 60s and Carson Lindsey?

Nope. Got mono in the middle of BWS which is a two month downslip. So I'm using the time to do some hard thinking about what I'd like to fly.

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Curious, what's the current duty station outlook for 64's? I've done some Googling but haven't found much current/relevant info. I guess the big question is, do they have 64's in Hawaii? I've heard different things :S.

March 2016 is what HRC told us. E models.

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There's still whispers among the guys PCSing after this deployment that 64s in Hawaii may still be on. Although one of our guys who got verbally slated for Hawaii was re-routed to somewhere else. Another W-4 said that he just got an e-mail from the branch manager that it's still on. So, take all that with a grain of salt.

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....actually, lift missions happen all the time without gun support.

 

Yeah, that's what's going on in theater (AFG) right now. I don't think I remember flying a true escort job (from take off to destination) in the past eight months. We work with lift often but mostly with the 47s on certain types of jobs but not much with the hawks.

 

They (lift) do their thing all the time without gun support.

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Yeah, that's what's going on in theater (AFG) right now. I don't think I remember flying a true escort job (from take off to destination) in the past eight months. We work with lift often but mostly with the 47s on certain types of jobs but not much with the hawks.

 

They (lift) do their thing all the time without gun support.

As always things change as the environment changes. I'll be back very soon for the RIP, but not going back to what used to be RC East....

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