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Commissioned Army Officer to Aviation Warrant Officer

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#221 mike0331

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 23:41

Guard is weird. I'm PS enlisted usmc and working on going WO. My recruiter was essentially 90% wrong and not until I met with the unit did I have a clear idea as to what to do. It seems you basically want to get yourself in front of the aviation board for whatever State you are interested in and they can work some magic from there if they want you. I met with a Captain who is an aviator and was previously in another MOS. After getting to know some aviators he boarded and went on to flight school - in his case maintaining the commission.

Get the contact info of some of the aviators at the unit. I went from recruiter to senior enlisted to CW5 guiding me through the process. At that level they are the final word and they can make things happen. Full disclosure, still in the boarding process.

Best of luck

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 10:02

Thank you all for the feedback. I was originally pretty upset that on my current deployment I'm spending more time in Kuwait than Iraq, but after learning you can do a Class I flight physical here it's a blessing in disguise. So I'm going to try and knock out that and the SIFT to make sure I'm even qualified.

 

I did send out an email to my states' Warrant Strength manager. I'll probably give her a week or so to respond. Would you suggest that I try and reach out to aviation units individually as well? Should I be beginning to talk to people on the active side who deal with transitioning to the guard? Also, totally away from what I'd ideally want, but if there are no warrant aviation slots, would it be worth it to try and keep my commission and somehow VTIP/restart my MOS once I hit the guard?

 

On another note, I plan on doing grad school after all of my training is complete and getting a civilian job. So I'm not trying to gun for an AGR slot. Just a chance to fly..

 

Again, thank you for the help and sorry for the potential ignorance in some of my questions.



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Posted 02 December 2017 - 14:12

I'd have the WOSM get you a POC at the actual unit you want to fly for, and figure out what they want from there. The WOSM was way more helpful than my recruiter (who still was helpful, just not knowledgeable on the aviation stuff). What happened with me was I was told I would have to enlist as a repairer and put a packet together from there -- in reality after a meeting with one of the senior AGR enlisted at the unit, I was put in touch directly with a CW5 who ultimately was one of the members sitting on the board. He helped me get my packet together from the outside and recommended against enlisting first. Furthermore Guard units are "small" in the sense that if you are talking t one of the senior guys, they can get you all the answers fast, and in many ways they are the ones who ultimately make the decisions anyway. 

The SIFT is easy, there are a bunch of threads on here about it, but essentially read the FAA handbook and buy a study-guide book and you'll be all set. It's pass/fail, but I'm glad I had a high score when I went before the board. 

As someone about to graduate from a full-time law school, I could easily have managed to have done this in the reserves/guard, even with sometimes weekly obligations flying. I wish I pursued this a few years back. It's going to be a bit trickier positioning the start of the whole process with applying for civilian jobs. I think med/dental school would be much more challenging if not impossible to balance. I'm sure you know the hell your wife went through, all my friends doing MDs or DMDs have literally no life and I can't imagine them balancing AFTPs and drill weekends. The JDs and MBA students though -- cake 

 

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 14:49

Small small world, brother. Looking at starting law school as well. Good to know that it is do-able. I'm also glad you didn't go with the enlisting first option. My recruiter tried to get me to do that, but I had a forum like this telling me that is was a BS ploy by the recruiter to not have to do as much paperwork. In the end it worked out okay though. And I honestly don't think my recruiter meant any harm by it, he just didn't know anything about doing an OCS packet.

But yes, my wife is about to start her residency, so this will hopefully all line up with her starting full time/getting full pay. Will definitely be awesome to not have to deal with the stress of finding a high paying job. Also, the GI Bill is clutch.

Good luck with the job hunt! The army is always looking for JAGs too ;)
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Posted 02 December 2017 - 15:09

I certainly didn't want to enlist if I didn't have to. 

Word of caution on law school: Make sure you want to practice law. There's a reason I'm trying to fly helicopters and not be a JAG. I'll need some respite from law, lawyers, and law things on my weekends if I end up practicing. Happy to talk either on here or via PM about law school, using VA benefits, LSAT, schools, etc. I also did 6+ years in the USMCR, though the time commitment was not as great as Guard Aviation from what I understand, but I have an idea of what is required as far as PME, conference calls, 4 day "weekends" etc. 

 

I'll reiterate, totally doable. My wife is going the NP route, and that is also much more of a time suck than law school. My last year of school is 3 day weeks without about 3-5 hours of homework a week on top of 15 or so hours of class a week. The first year is very much a M-F thing, but there is not an overwhelming amount of work. The last 3-4 weeks of each semester can be brutal with studying and papers, but it doesn't compare to the amount of time my friends are investing in medical programs, or even what I invested as pre-med in undergrad. 

 

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:04

Hello!

 

So I completed my Class I flight physical, and everything checks out. I just have one point of concern. When I did the depth perception test with those little circles where you wear the glasses and you have to pick the one that stands out, I could not for the life of me see it. They all looked the same. Eventually, after me staring at it for a few minutes, the specialist administering it pointed at my EIB and said "you're good, I know you have depth perception". The dude is a total champ and all, but I am worried about this catching up with me down the line. Another additional detail, the optometrist dilated my eyes, and then 5 minutes later made me do the depth perception tests with the specialist since he forgot to knock that out at the beginning. My eyes weren't full blown dilated, but they were wide open and I could feel it working. My wife (who is in optometry school) said that could have been why I couldn't see the circles, but I don't know.

 

When I go home on R&R, I'm going to do another exam since I get them for free at my wife's school just to make sure. Aside from that, any advice? Should I be worried that I "cheated" the test? I'd just hate to show up to Rucker only to be DQ'd.

 

Thank you all for the help!



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Posted 20 December 2017 - 16:56

Hello!

 

So I completed my Class I flight physical, and everything checks out. I just have one point of concern. When I did the depth perception test with those little circles where you wear the glasses and you have to pick the one that stands out, I could not for the life of me see it. They all looked the same. Eventually, after me staring at it for a few minutes, the specialist administering it pointed at my EIB and said "you're good, I know you have depth perception". The dude is a total champ and all, but I am worried about this catching up with me down the line. Another additional detail, the optometrist dilated my eyes, and then 5 minutes later made me do the depth perception tests with the specialist since he forgot to knock that out at the beginning. My eyes weren't full blown dilated, but they were wide open and I could feel it working. My wife (who is in optometry school) said that could have been why I couldn't see the circles, but I don't know.

 

When I go home on R&R, I'm going to do another exam since I get them for free at my wife's school just to make sure. Aside from that, any advice? Should I be worried that I "cheated" the test? I'd just hate to show up to Rucker only to be DQ'd.

 

Thank you all for the help!

 

 

Don't worry. The Army Aviation branch will issue you new eye balls during WOBC...



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 13:00

 
 
Don't worry. The Army Aviation branch will issue you new eye balls during WOBC...

I'm sorry that I can't read between the lines in what you're saying..What do you mean?
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 14:38

I think he was telling me to pound sand and that I'm S.O.L. haha



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 18:21

I think he was telling me to pound sand and that I'm S.O.L. haha

 

 

Just having a little fun with ya.

 

You are overthinking it. Just keep plugging through and submit your packet. Your second flight phys will be a Class 1A instead of a Class 1W. There is a significant difference. The same type of people that administered your first test will be administering your second.


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 04:09

 

 

Just having a little fun with ya.

 

You are overthinking it. Just keep plugging through and submit your packet. Your second flight phys will be a Class 1A instead of a Class 1W. There is a significant difference. The same type of people that administered your first test will be administering your second.

I appreciate the support. I'll keep treading along. Thank you for the insight!



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Posted 24 December 2017 - 09:58

The depth perception test is rough for me as well. There are tips online for how to pick out the circles better. Not sure if it works or not, I always barely squeak by.

What state if you dont mind my asking?

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 13:20

The depth perception test is rough for me as well. There are tips online for how to pick out the circles better. Not sure if it works or not, I always barely squeak by.

What state if you dont mind my asking?

Move your head a bit during the test. The one that moves differently from the others is the one you're looking for. 

 

I can get 7/10 easy without this, but there's a few that are always a pain to pick out. Those I only really started to notice when I'd get annoyed and shake my head. Virtuous discovery


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