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#261 dovq2011

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 22:53

Thanks for the advice guys, I've submitted the memo to Branch and am working on getting LOR's currently. 
 
For your Summary in the resume, how did you bridge the gap between being a Commissioned Officer and transitioning to becoming a Warrant? I'm trying not to restate too much of what is in my resume / ORB already but I want to make a point that my experience has shaped me and made me want to become a Warrant Officer. 


Talk about why you want to be an Aviator and also translate how your time as a RLO translates to being a Warrant. e.g. - Tactical and technical proficiency, mentoring (subordinates, peers, superiors), etc. Remember, youre trying to sell yourself to the board and give them a reason to pick me. Keep it to 2-3 paragraphs max. Youre not writing a dossier.

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 18:58

Thanks, I was on that track but wanted to make sure I was going the right direction.  

 

When getting LOR's from my CO and BC, I'm pretty sure they will have me draft a template for them to go off of since that is how they have had other people do LOR's for other packets recently.

 

If I'm supposed to generate one for them to go off of, is there a specific format or type of language that would be better suited for it? I just want to make sure the LOR's fit what the Board is looking for and gives the best snapshot of who I am. 



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Posted 04 March 2018 - 19:45

Thanks, I was on that track but wanted to make sure I was going the right direction.  
 
When getting LOR's from my CO and BC, I'm pretty sure they will have me draft a template for them to go off of since that is how they have had other people do LOR's for other packets recently.
 
If I'm supposed to generate one for them to go off of, is there a specific format or type of language that would be better suited for it? I just want to make sure the LOR's fit what the Board is looking for and gives the best snapshot of who I am. 


Check the USAREC site. There is a template/format the LORs have to be in.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:53

Thanks guys,

 

Does anyone have a recommended time to submit their packet early? I'll probably have everything done and reviewed by September/October at the latest so I was planning to submit in October for the November Deadline? Is there such a thing as too early? 



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Posted 24 March 2018 - 05:15

New to this forum. Aviation O4, in the process of reverting. Does anyone have any knowledge (actual refs) that discuss if I would get high 3 MAJ retirement and the rank I would retire at. Very hot or miss on this subject, and most people who do this are in the CPT, LT ranks.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 22:07

Actual regs, Ill ask around. But, as far as Im tracking high 3 is high 3 in terms of retirement. You would retire at whatever warrant rank you are at the time, but your retirement pay would be whatever your high 3 years of pay is (would probably be O4).

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 06:53

Got a question about UQR's now. I know that the minimum time to submit a UQR for acceptance is 6 months and max 12 months out but that is for people trying to leave active duty normally. Does anyone know how it specifically works for those trying to convert to WO?

 

i.e. If I get accepted in January, submit my UQR, can it be accepted 6-8 weeks later and have Orders as soon as possible or will there be a minimum 6 month wait from the time I submit it to get orders?

 

I only ask because It affects the positions and timeline at my current unit based on what will most likely happen.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 19:06

Got a question about UQR's now. I know that the minimum time to submit a UQR for acceptance is 6 months and max 12 months out but that is for people trying to leave active duty normally. Does anyone know how it specifically works for those trying to convert to WO?

 

i.e. If I get accepted in January, submit my UQR, can it be accepted 6-8 weeks later and have Orders as soon as possible or will there be a minimum 6 month wait from the time I submit it to get orders?

 

I only ask because It affects the positions and timeline at my current unit based on what will most likely happen.

I'm currently processing my UQR.  Get ready for a bunch of blank stares as you try to explain the process to EVERYONE that you will submit your packet through.  For my UQR, it was 5 days late.  I wrote a memo and self-signed as to why my UQR was late.  Nothing within my control.  I'll save the sob story for another time. 

 

Once your UQR gets approved through MPD, HRC will send an RFO and cut orders.  I don't think they follow any specific timeline except ASAP. 

 

I'm going to send you the guidance worksheet that I received from HRC when I got selected.  It explains a lot and will help. 

 

-Joe



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Posted 29 March 2018 - 22:42

As far as Im tracking, the UQR has nothing to do with the date when you will show up to rucker. There were several of us on the same board, submitted our UQRs around the same time, yet we all showed up over a span of around 4 months. I believe I got my class date before I submitted my UQR. So, you should know your timeline before you submit that UQR. Definitely look at that guidance worksheet from Joe. A buddy of mine and myself redid that and sent it back to HRC back in 2015. Hopefully they are still using the one we edited. Super helpful.
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 13:21

CPT Selected in the late JAN 2018 board. I am having trouble finding a template for the UQR and as you said I get alot of stares whenever I try to process. Does anyone have an example of the verbage the are looking for? 

 

Secondly, I am O-3 and MCCC complete. Everyone is telling me I should revert as a CW2. Is there any document i could reference for this? When I submit the DA Form 4187 for my WOCS equivalent credit do I put as a CW2? 

 

Any kind of help would be great! I am scheduled in ATRRS to report for WOBC 13 JAN 19 so I know I need to get these documents processed ASAP.



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Posted 09 April 2018 - 16:37

CPT Selected in the late JAN 2018 board. I am having trouble finding a template for the UQR and as you said I get alot of stares whenever I try to process. Does anyone have an example of the verbage the are looking for? 

 

Secondly, I am O-3 and MCCC complete. Everyone is telling me I should revert as a CW2. Is there any document i could reference for this? When I submit the DA Form 4187 for my WOCS equivalent credit do I put as a CW2? 

 

Any kind of help would be great! I am scheduled in ATRRS to report for WOBC 13 JAN 19 so I know I need to get these documents processed ASAP.

Dude, I got you.  Send me your email in a DM and I will forward you my packet, as well as some info on the CW2 process.

 

BLUF:

- Your UQR gets looked at funny because there are some differences between a standard UQR and the UQR you are about to do.  A UQR is a memo, and several of the bullets pertain to material that will not apply to you. 

 

- You will revert to WO1, and as soon as you report to Rucker, you will inprocess and be automatically promoted to CW2.  I have the guidance sheet sent from HRC that explains that process.  Based on time in grade/ time in service (I can't remember which one) you are automatically promoted to CW2.  I do not know if you get back pay for being a CW2, one of my RFIs.

 

-Joe



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 20:35

Hey everyone, Been working on my packet and everything is going pretty well. The only issue is my BC just changed command and my old BC (who supported this) is still going to write a LOR but won't sign it as the Commander. This means my new BC will need to write one as well for the upcoming January Board. He's a little iffy on it but I'm sure he will still write one. My question is do you think I should have my previous BC's LOR in my packet as well? 

 

One other question, one reason he is on the fence is that he thinks I will be leaving as soon as I get selected even though I know that is not the case. Do you all have an idea of when course dates would be for WOBC and reporting to Fort Rucker? I've heard that it could be August-September from this past year's board? I just want to be able to give him a better time estimate of when I could possibly be leaving. Thanks for the help guys!



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Posted 19 June 2018 - 20:36

look up the trend for May's board. it seems like nobody from that board is getting orders for this year (2018). chances are you wont be attending wocs until 2019.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:10

I have been lurking on this forum for awhile (it was recommended to me by a Commissioned Officer to WOFT applicant). All the information has been much appreciated. 

 

My brief introduction is as follows:

 

Who: CPT (Active Duty)

 

What: Branch (Army)

 

When: 2012-Present 

 

Where: FHTX (1CD PL/CO XO), 75th RGR RGT (PL/CO XO) , Current CCC Student with a follow-on SOF assignment. Experience in both Afghanistan and Iraq.  

 

Why: I am looking to transfer to the Warrant Officer Corps as a 153A following a long period of soul searching. I love the military but I have reached my limit of advance as an Officer and I am looking to follow my long time passion of aviation. 

 

I am hoping to apply for the JAN 2019 Board, pending support from my CoC. In the meantime, I am looking to hone my professionalism and aviation knowledge while simultaneously upholding my duties as an RLO. 

 

Thank you to those who have posted information on this topic. Any one on one advice would be much appreciated. 

 

RLTW!



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 20:50

 

- You will revert to WO1, and as soon as you report to Rucker, you will inprocess and be automatically promoted to CW2.  I have the guidance sheet sent from HRC that explains that process.  Based on time in grade/ time in service (I can't remember which one) you are automatically promoted to CW2.  I do not know if you get back pay for being a CW2, one of my RFIs.

 

-Joe

 

Joe,

 

Would it be possible to get a copy of that HRC guidance as well please. I am STILL waiting on my reversion orders from HRC. 4187 for constructive credit was approved in April. I am headed in as a reserve warrant and the information I have been getting was WO1 upon orders from HRC then promotion to WO2 upon graduation from flight school.

 

There is a prior officer in my current unit who has been out of Rucker for 9 months and is still a WO1 because apparently the schoolhouse failed to iPERM his 1059/Certificate and he left the schoolhouse without it as well. Now he is being told he should receive back pay and the WO2 should be backdated to his graduation date.

 

I would LOVE to see some actual guidance on actual paper from the actual people at HRC as opposed to the word of many different disparate people. Thanks!



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Posted 02 July 2018 - 16:28

ryanri-

 

PM sent.  It wouldn't let me attach the document so it was copy-and-paste from the document itself.

 

-Joe



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Posted 03 July 2018 - 22:08

I love how the regs don't change. I just looked up my HRC memo for my date of rank determination to CW2 from 2004 and the reference is still good.

 

If you want the actual regulatory guidance (to throw in someone's bureaucratic face when hitting a wall) that all this is based on for active duty commissioned for two years to CW2, see paragraph 3-3a(2), AR 600-8-29. Just looked it up on armypubs.army.mil and it still applies. Particularly the third sentence of "Active duty service as a commissioned officer before appointment as a warrant officer will also count as active duty service.".

 

If already covered, apologies--didn't see it though. Good luck--swimming the bureaucratic channels is its own specialty. :/


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Posted 04 July 2018 - 09:26

I love how the regs don't change. I just looked up my HRC memo for my date of rank determination to CW2 from 2004 and the reference is still good.

 

If you want the actual regulatory guidance (to throw in someone's bureaucratic face when hitting a wall) that all this is based on for active duty commissioned for two years to CW2, see paragraph 3-3a(2), AR 600-8-29. Just looked it up on armypubs.army.mil and it still applies. Particularly the third sentence of "Active duty service as a commissioned officer before appointment as a warrant officer will also count as active duty service.".

 

If already covered, apologies--didn't see it though. Good luck--swimming the bureaucratic channels is its own specialty. :/

 

I'm embarrassed to admit for as much as I love referencing regs I did not even think to dive into the S1 regs to find the answer for myself.

 

I feel like this section is oddly worded; however, what I am getting from it is if you have a minimum of 2 years AD as a commissioned officer you are eligible for promotion to CW2 (counts for your time as a WO1). Otherwise its after 18 months as a WO1. Anybody else reading it differently?



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Posted 04 July 2018 - 10:40

 

I'm embarrassed to admit for as much as I love referencing regs I did not even think to dive into the S1 regs to find the answer for myself.

 

I feel like this section is oddly worded; however, what I am getting from it is if you have a minimum of 2 years AD as a commissioned officer you are eligible for promotion to CW2 (counts for your time as a WO1). Otherwise its after 18 months as a WO1. Anybody else reading it differently?

That is correct, the full paragraph makes more sense/has more connotation. But they are explicitly saying two years of AD commissioned service equates to DOR for CW2. Full paragraph below (Bold Italics is mine).

 

AR 600-8-29
3–3. Rules for computing promotion eligibility date to CW2

 

a. The earlier of the following dates will be the PED to CW2:

 

(1) The second anniversary of warrant officer service provided the officer has served a minimum of 18 months on the ADL as a WO1. Adjust the PED to ensure the officer meets the 18 months active duty requirement if necessary.

 

(2) The second anniversary of total active duty service in the current or any higher grade provided that the officer has served a minimum of 18 months of active duty service as a WO1. Adjust the PED to ensure the officer meets the 18 month active duty requirement if necessary. Active duty service as a commissioned officer before appointment as a warrant officer will also count as active duty service. See chapter 2 for determining ADOR.

 

Note: If a warrant officer is eligible for promotion on 29 Feb and the month has only 28 days, he or she is eligible on 28 Feb.

 

b. A warrant officer who completes 2 years of warrant officer service before entry on active duty is eligible for promotion on the day of entry. Service must have been in an active reserve status as defined in AR 135–155, paragraph 2–1.

 

c. Prior AFCS is creditable toward promotion of warrant officers only under a(2), above.



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Posted 04 July 2018 - 10:53

Reading the above, it does look like it is saying promote to CW2 as long as they have the 2 years active service (commissioned counts) AND 18 months as a WO1. In actuality, the 18 months of WO1 does not apply and HRC will use the 2 years of AD commissioned to make your WO1 / CW2 ranks the same DOR (date of rank). 

HRC Promotions Branch is familiar with this (they are the ones that had me do the "Date of Rank Determination Request" memo that quoted the above Reg/paragraph and send it in--I pinned on WO1 and was promptly sent to Korea / The Land of the Not Quite Right and hence more arse pain than others as mine was drawn out for several months). Anyway, hope that assists a little (the precedent is WO1/CW2 same DOR-I'm a product of it...). Have a good 4th.

 

Edit: rabbit holes, rabbit holes everywhere :unsure:  I don't like interpretation, but I let a period get me. See the next para (3-4), specifically Table 3-3 for weird prior service at higher rank vs wocka, wocka normal promo to CW2. Steps 1-3 are you, 4 and 5 are normal. Step 2 only requires the higher service to equate more than 18 months/equitable. 

 

And I'm done. :D  :mellow:


Edited by METT-TC, 04 July 2018 - 11:14.






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