kevinskene Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Hey folks, first post here. Loving the site, makes me want to be a Heli pilot! I'm looking for a pilot with an R22/R44 that has experience or wants to gain experience at dropping skydivers. I'm based in Santa Monica and would like to perform legal, demo jumps, exiting over Malibu. I have jumped from Helicopters many times before. I've seen all the videos regarding safety concerns when inflatable objects such as parachutes are outside on the skids, so I can assure you gear checks will be done in abundance. I had a contact who would take 3 people to 5k ASL for $225 in Ventura, but they're no longer flying and the new quote is $1750 per hour for a huey. If you and anyone on or off this forum would be happy to talk about it, please shoot me a message or comment below. Very interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinskene Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Is bumping allowed here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r22butters Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Try asking at the Van Nuys airport, its on Rosco not far from 405. There are a few helicopter operators there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam32 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm sure Goldy will chime in soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinskene Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm sure Goldy will chime in soon.Looking forward to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliKyler Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) It's not the type of op that many operators are going to want to do just once. They may have concern for the LA FSDO's opinion of skydiving from a helicopter and specifically in high profile areas like Malibu. Then there's the issue of the land ownership/use where you're going to reach the ground. I'm not a specialist in this as I've never done skydiving ops before. With all that said, Guardian, National, Rotor FX, Jetboy, Group 3 are all operators at Van Nuys (closest airport to Malibu with commercial helicopters based there) that do charter type of work. The cheapest thing you're going to find for that is a R44 which will run you around $500/hour, if they don't charge a premium for it being a specialized operation, and Malibu and back assuming no delays is going to be a 30-40 minute flight. I flew tours out of there for a now-defunct operator a couple years ago. Edited February 1, 2017 by HeliKyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinskene Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Really appreciate it everyone. I've done some research and found that it's going to cost about $500 but can obviously take 3 people. Not bad considering hot air ballon jumps are $110 per person and this is a bit more outrageous. Now.. As I've been approaching these pilots, they all said they'd do it 100% so long as everything was legal, yet anything to do with parachute operations is so gray area. So I was hoping you guys might be able to help me out. I'm getting all my facts from FAR 105http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_105.html This is my uneducated understanding of the Federal Aviation Regulations: Specifically:105.15 - Information Required Much of this information would be needed to file a NOTAM, but this section is rendered void since no certificate of authorization is required. (See below) 105.21 - Congested Area's & Open Space Will would not need a certificate of authorization because our designated landing area will be a privately owned section on the beach and NOT "over or into a congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or an open-air assembly of persons" 105.25 - Parachute Operations in Designated Airspace Since we are going to be jumping at 6500 feet MSL in Class E, nonrestricted and not prohibited airspace, we just have to notify the local air traffic control facility no earlier than 24 hours before or 1 hour after the operation begins. Is my understanding correct? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinskene Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 It's not the type of op that many operators are going to want to do just once. They may have concern for the LA FSDO's opinion of skydiving from a helicopter and specifically in high profile areas like Malibu. Then there's the issue of the land ownership/use where you're going to reach the ground. I'm not a specialist in this as I've never done skydiving ops before. With all that said, Guardian, National, Rotor FX, Jetboy, Group 3 are all operators at Van Nuys (closest airport to Malibu with commercial helicopters based there) that do charter type of work. The cheapest thing you're going to find for that is a R44 which will run you around $500/hour, if they don't charge a premium for it being a specialized operation, and Malibu and back assuming no delays is going to be a 30-40 minute flight. I flew tours out of there for a now-defunct operator a couple years ago.I appreciate it! The plan isn't to just do it once, but i've got to start there and see how it goes. I found about 5 operators that were completely willing to do it so long as it wasn't breaking any rules. Will give those operators a call tomorrow and talk it through with. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iChris Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) 105.15 - Information Required 105.21 - Congested Area's & Open Space 105.25 - Parachute Operations in Designated Airspace Since we are going to be jumping at 6500 feet MSL in Class E, nonrestricted and not prohibited airspace, we just have to notify the local air traffic control facility no earlier than 24 hours before or 1 hour after the operation begins. Is my understanding correct? Thank you! Don't forget..... §105.13 Radio equipment and use requirements. [a] Except when otherwise authorized by air traffic control— (1) No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from that aircraft, in or into controlled airspace unless, during that flight— (i) The aircraft is equipped with a functioning two-way radio communication system appropriate to the air traffic control facilities being used; and (ii) Radio communications have been established between the aircraft and the air traffic control facility having jurisdiction over the affected airspace of the first intended exit altitude at least 5 minutes before the parachute operation begins. The pilot in command must establish radio communications to receive information regarding air traffic activity in the vicinity of the parachute operation. (2) The pilot in command of an aircraft used for any parachute operation in or into controlled airspace must, during each flight— (i) Continuously monitor the appropriate frequency of the aircraft's radio communications system from the time radio communications are first established between the aircraft and air traffic control, until the pilot advises air traffic control that the parachute operation has ended for that flight. (ii) Advise air traffic control when the last parachutist or object leaves the aircraft. Parachute operations must be aborted if, prior to receipt of a required air traffic control authorization, or during any parachute operation in or into controlled airspace, the required radio communications system is or becomes inoperative. Edited February 3, 2017 by iChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iChris Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) yet anything to do with parachute operations is so gray area. So I was hoping you guys might be able to help me out. In addition to studying Part 105, these links may help get rid of some of that gray… Checkout: AC 105-2E - Sport Parachuting Document Information And the FAA Inspectors guidance to see what they look for: 8900.1; Vol 6; Ch. 11; Section 5. Surveillance of Sport Parachute Activities Also: The United States Parachute Association (USPA) See: FAA &USPA tab 105.21 - Congested Area's & Open Space Will would not need a certificate of authorization because our designated landing area will be a privately-owned section on the beach and NOT "over or into a congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or an open-air assembly of persons" You may need to take another look at that and get a second option. Around Malibu, your definition of congested may defer from that of the FAA. Not much of a problem unless something goes wrong. A Certificate of Authorization COA (Form 7711-2) is cheap and easy insurance. See example of completed 7711-2 at Link: 8900.1,Vol.3,Ch6,Sec1 Figures 3-33 & 3-33A, near bottom of page. As the NTSB pointed out in Administrator vs. Johnson, the presence or absence of people in certain parts of town is irrelevant to their status as a congested area. Rather, it is the residential and/or commercial business aspect of an area of town that makes that area congested because those parts of town have a high housing density. See: Legal Definitions of "Densely Populated" and "Congested Airway" & Memorandum Chief Counsel for Regulations - To what extent an operator can make a congested area uncongested & §105.5 General. '>https://youtu.be/DTk5mJUwPbs Edited February 6, 2017 by iChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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