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[r22butters]

Could someone explain this to a poor lowtimer?

1500 hours total, but only 250 needs to be PIC,...?

Now I've got almost three times that PIC, but only around half the total time, which of course makes me unqualified (if I was young enough that is).

Why is total time worth more than "sole manipulator of the controls" time?

[Dnr032]

I can only assume that you are referring to Air Interdiction Agent pilots with the Custom and Border Protection Agency.  If so, then the reason is to recruit military trained pilots who served in aircraft requiring dual pilot operations.

[Whiteshadow]

They also know that prior military pilots will have those qualifications.  Prior military pilots, including many who have already been flying Blackhawks equaling less training costs once brought on.

[r22butters]

Thing is though, if you have military experience they will knock 500 hours off that 1500 total.

So, its the civilian guy who only needs 250 PIC out of 1500 total, which just seems like an odd combination?

I remember back in flight school they used to say a 500 hour guy could get an SIC slot in the GOM (which I guess could get a guy a similar spread) but that was almost fifteen years ago,...and it always seemed like bullshit anyway so,...?

[Dnr032]

....if you have military experience they will knock 500 hours off that 1500 total.

 

I can't find that anywhere in writing.... that may or may not be true? This is dated April 2017:

 

https://www.cbp.gov/...rs/aia/app-proc

 

So, its the civilian guy who only needs 250 PIC out of 1500 total, which just seems like an odd combination?

 

I agree, it is a very odd combination. Remember, however, that the CBP openly and actively (gives preference) recruits former military personnel.  In the military, PIC is a function of Commander's Orders and a formal designation, not necessary the 'sole manipulator of the controls' as in the civilian world.  It is not uncommon for 2 PIC's to be assigned a mission, yet 1 will be designated PIC and 1 the SIC for the flight.  If an Army pilot for example, only claims the PIC time as per their official flight records (DA -759), then they are shorting themselves PIC time per the FAA and competing in the civilian flight world.

 

The 250 PIC with 1500 TT, in my opinion, is written in order to allow those young military pilot's to qualify and apply.  They will be racked and stacked from there..... and like all jobs, minimum qualifications does not guarantee even an interview.  

 

I remember back in flight school they used to say a 500 hour guy could get an SIC slot in the GOM

 

Flight Schools will say and do anything to get you to sign up and pay!

 

Just my .02 cents.  Your mileage may vary.

[r22butters]

....if you have military experience they will knock 500 hours off that 1500 total.

 

I can't find that anywhere in writing.... that may or may not be true? This is dated April 2017:

 

https://www.cbp.gov/...rs/aia/app-proc

 

 

 

Its from the job ad on JSfirm;

 

 

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• *Note: Up to 500 of the 1500 flight hour requirement may be waived upon verification of specialized experience (e.g. general military flight experience and training, complex aircraft flight instructor experience, multi-engine aircraft time, night vision device operations, imminent danger flight time and terrain and/or over water flight operations).

   

 

I know its the kind of job they prefer military guys, but they keep posting so they may have to settle for some of us?   
 

[Wally]

"I know its the kind of job they prefer military guys, but they keep posting so they may have to settle for some of us?    "

 

Not to burst your bubble, but you know you might have to fly right through your lunch break on

that job?

 

(pull your pants up!)

[Eric Hunt]

 

 

Note: Up to 500 of the 1500 flight hour requirement may be waived upon verification of specialized experience 

Butters, what "waived" means is that they might accept somebody who has only 1000 of the 1500 total, and they will waive the need for the extra 500.

[r22butters]

"I know its the kind of job they prefer military guys, but they keep posting so they may have to settle for some of us?    "
 
Not to burst your bubble, but you know you might have to fly right through your lunch break on
that job?
 
(pull your pants up!)

No way man! I will continue to refuse to fly for hire until every man woman and child gets their god given right of a half hour lunch break! Stand with me fellow helislaves!

WEINERS OUT!!!