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Prospective Employer COLD CALLS, how do you go about it?

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#41 avbug

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 01:14

Only 1 of those has actually contributed to the thread subject.

Then again, only one is able. Go figure.

Edited by avbug, 12 August 2017 - 01:15.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:47

avbug is sitting at home, wondering how he got fired for the 50th time. 



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:09

I'd challenge any of those sniping from the corners to actually contribute to the subject of cold calling employers.  It's a valid subject. 

 

I'm in the field firefighting, presently, have been since May 01.  I've been working for this employer for a number of years.  I obtained the job with a "cold call" resume, resulting in a phone call 15 minutes later from the employer, resulting in lunch, an interview, and a job.  I knew the employer well by reputation and research, knew his business, practices, and was quite familiar with his reputation & history (which was very good).  My resume was tailored to him, to his business, and the type of work he did.  

 

He asked me over lunch, very pointedly, about my relevant work, as well as other flying and jobs, and noted "don't bullshit me."  He knows a lot of folks.  He checks.  I knew that.  He's a been-there, done-that kind of guy, well known, not an easy one to interview with.  It took the same approach.  

 

Know what the employer wants, and if you want the job, make sure you're that person.  It's not complicated.  This employer has a number of aircraft in the field, all busy, operated by a variety of different personalities.  That's fine, but each one has and displays what the employer wants, and each has very strong backgrounds relevant to the employers needs.  Each employee pilot has a varied background, some of them quite different, but there's a common core of hands-on job experience that applies to this specific employer.  That's often the case.  

 

If you have a broad background, and many do, with instruction, utility, military, etc, then tailor your resume to show it, but highlight the parts that are most relevant to that employer's operation, based on your research.  Emphasize that in the cover letter.  It may be all the explanation and face time you get before an interview by phone or in person, which means it may be the only chance you have to get the interview at all.  Once in person, then you can open up with everything else, tie your background together, sell yourself.   You've got to get there, first, and cold-calling requires that the very limited exposure you have be adequate to get you into the interview, checkride, etc.  

 

I have been to job fairs and seen a lot of resumes dropped that were identical, and generic.  I saw people in no suits, cordoroy outfits, and things that were not appropriate for job interviews.  I have seen resumes dropped at employers where I did the screening and hiring, and the resumes showed no interest in the company.  Not addressed to anyone in particular, not even the company name found on the  resume.  It shows a lack of sincerity, interest, desire.  Little things go a long way.  Research counts, as does the time it takes to personalize the resume and cover letter.  It speaks to how badly one wants the job.

 

Priorities show.  Much like the sniping and stupidity of certain posters who cannot seem to contribute to the thread.  Grow up, kids.   If you have something relevant to say, say it.  Are you able?


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:21

Hmm, a contribution to the topic, ok,...

98% of my "cold calls" were answered by machines, who never returned my "cold calls".

I got my awesome flying job after the 21st Century version of a "cold call". A facebook message!

,...for the millennials here a "call" was something we old guys did with our phones. :D
The only dream I have left is to live long enough to see the pilot shortage. Its been about fourteen years since they first told me it was coming, so,...

Aaaaaaaany day now! :D

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 14:42

Never needed a cold call, all my employers knew me from inside the industry. Some jobs were a response to a newspaper advertisement, like my first job straight out of school at 17, others were when the employer offered me work out of the blue.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 15:22

No wonder I didn't get that job. I was in a "no suit" wearing my favorite "cordoroy outfit." 



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 17:26

No wonder I didn't get that job. I was in a "no suit" wearing my favorite "cordoroy outfit." 

 

Don't you know who Oliver Wendell Douglas is?  Even he knows there is a suit for every occasion, for example:

Grey pinstripe = field plowin' suit

Blue tweed = tractor fixin' suit

green gaberdin = seed plantin' suit

corduroy?  come on fella's, even i know that is a cow milkin' suit !

 

as what the bug is doing to this thread, oh yes, read post 7 and compare it to 43, "it felt so nice?, i did it twice"

 

cold calling to me is showing up unannounced and pestering someone. Yes, i have done that & have gotten the job (mind you i had on just regular clothes, no fancy suit) --just happened to be at right place at right time. I've also had recommendations for jobs, got them too.  Answered adds in paper? got 'em that way too.

 

I would be a bit leary about someone showing up in a fancy suit, knowing all about my company and me & then have the nerve to hand me a "tailored, kiss my ass" type of resume? Not saying it can't work, but?  HeloNorth? i hope ya got the cow milkin' job !  LOL

 

now as for my worthwhile contribution/challenge to this thread? i think i have fulfilled it  and stepped up to bat, now bug? here is YOUR challenge, lets hear who you really are and where you work. We shall see how your employer feels about this:

 

Posted 09 August 2017 - 06:19
mudkow60, on 08 Aug 2017 - 21:39, said:
Don't insult me in a prior post and then try to take a crap on everyone else... me thinks you have a hard time outside the confines of the webs.

Don't sell yourself short, a**hole. You're included with the others. You're just too stupid to know it.
Edited by avbug, 09 August 2017 - 06:21.

 

 

come on but, put on yer cow milkin' suit and step up, or take the udder route and be a coward.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 18:28

I know it's been a while since I've been here, but it feels like the pollution of the "original forum" is starting to seep into our clean virgin VR forum.

Nothing against the Original Forum, it's just like...the chlamydia of the Internet and we don't really want it here.

Remember kids, use protection when visiting strange forums

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:42

I don't know if the "King of the Hill" character 'Boomhauer' ever said exactly this to Bobby. But after a day together interacting with women they didn't know, Bobby asked him why he kept at it, almost everybody they met refused him their phone number: "Yeah, I get a lot `of 'no' when I ask, but I'll never get a 'yes' if I don't ask." 98%, 99% 99.9% no? If you want it, dtop whining and keep at it. The 'yes' is what you're after.
There is some good info in this thread to avoid wasting time...

Pull you pants up, Butters!

Just a pilot (retired, so I have a LOT of time)...


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 13:10

Pull you pants up, Butters!


Not until every Helislave gets a lunch break!



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Edited by r22butters, 13 August 2017 - 16:43.

The only dream I have left is to live long enough to see the pilot shortage. Its been about fourteen years since they first told me it was coming, so,...

Aaaaaaaany day now! :D

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 13:19

I've met a couple of fellows from the military transitioning to civilian flying at my flight school. I would say your best friends are going to be your colleagues in the military who have already moved on to civilian flying. It seems like the EMS world likes military pilots because you are procedurally correct with actual instrument time and NVG. Start networking with your friends and also get more flight time if you are able. 1500 is just starting out in the civilian world unfortunately. Other jobs that fit your experience would be oil and gas which seem to be trending up now. They were laying off the last couple years but I've seen some are hiring again for light turbine jobs.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 15:09

There is some good info in this thread to avoid wasting time...

Pull you pants up, Butters!

 

Yes, i have learned to NOT write a 600 page cover letter !

 

and i bet Mrs Butters says that to him all the time too.



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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:28

Golf

,...oh no wait, that's "be the ball".

 

No nO and NO !  yer in the wrong movie, its not be the ball, you must DRESS like the ball.  After all? you would dress up as a clown if you were going on an interview to be a clown no? (right bug?)  Only an idiot would dress as a sailor to sign up for the army (right bug?)  Would you not feel strange (more like an idiot) walking in on the owner as he is bucking rivets, and you in your "tailored 3 piece suit and try to hand him a resume instead of a bucking bar?" NOW !  here is how ya really impress him,, ya pull a few 2117's out of yer top pocket, an L shaped bar outtah yer rear, and happen to have enuf hot air to power his rivet gun!  

 

oh yes, back to butters and his golf game, now 1st? you must dress like the ball, errr i mean address the ball:







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