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Airspeed Differences: 64E vs. 64D vs. UH60


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#21 Ag64e

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 14:18

Nothing is a bummer when you have the ability to shoot 30mm, rockets, and missiles.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 16:57

For me, it wasn't the actual speed that bummed me out a little. It was the speed relative to other airframes that the Apache might be supporting. I've supported the infantry on the ground being heavier and moving slower than them. I just didn't like the idea of not being able to keep up in the air.

 

What do you mean by "I've supported the infantry on the ground"? 


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 23:52

The 64E is faster than the 64D (I can't speak for 64D's with 701-D Power enabled). Exact airspeeds aren't really important. Unless the UH/CH is severely overloaded, the 64s always are slower than the lift aircraft. Im flying 64Es in Afghanistan right now, and we do some mixed missions with 64Ds. We generally have to slow down a little bit so they can keep up with us, and lift aircraft generally have to slow down so we can keep up. the 64Es ARE able to keep up with the preferred cruising speed of the 60s, but barely. Which is an improvement. 

 

UH/CH aren't "escorting themselves because the Apaches can't keep up". They're flying without an escort because there aren't enough Apaches to go around, and the places they are flying are generally low enough risk that its not necessary. Flying from Fob to fob doesn't justify an armed escort. If the risk is high enough, they will have an escort, and they'll fly slow enough so the escort can keep up. I have never heard of an escort being cancelled because the apaches are too slow. 


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#24 Spartan13

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 16:39

 
What do you mean by "I've supported the infantry on the ground"? 


Before getting selected for aviation, I was an LLVI team leader and we linked in with and directly supported the infantry on the ground with a very unique and powerful capability, but our rucks were always so heavy with extra gear that we had to work hard just to keep up on patrols.

The 64E is faster than the 64D (I can't speak for 64D's with 701-D Power enabled). Exact airspeeds aren't really important. Unless the UH/CH is severely overloaded, the 64s always are slower than the lift aircraft. Im flying 64Es in Afghanistan right now, and we do some mixed missions with 64Ds. We generally have to slow down a little bit so they can keep up with us, and lift aircraft generally have to slow down so we can keep up. the 64Es ARE able to keep up with the preferred cruising speed of the 60s, but barely. Which is an improvement. 
 
UH/CH aren't "escorting themselves because the Apaches can't keep up". They're flying without an escort because there aren't enough Apaches to go around, and the places they are flying are generally low enough risk that its not necessary. Flying from Fob to fob doesn't justify an armed escort. If the risk is high enough, they will have an escort, and they'll fly slow enough so the escort can keep up. I have never heard of an escort being cancelled because the apaches are too slow. 


This is pretty much exactly what I was wondering about. Answered my question perfectly! Thanks again everyone for all the responses!




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