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#1 r22butters

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 18:50

,...about 2:25



Maybe she didn't get the memo?
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 21:57

I don’t see the problem.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:44

Link isn't working for me but I assume it has something with doing proper checks before takeoff?

What I find more interesting about this video is actually the fact that after about 10 seconds from takeoff her hand comes off the collective and does not go back until arriving at the airport. I understand you have to deal with radios/gps etc. but it's just casually not on it. Not saying this to attack the pilot because as a commerical pilot I see stuff similar like this that would make most flight schools faint.

My question is do other pilots on this form do this as well?
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:43

Hmm, the link was working yesterday, but not anymore?!

Don't know what happened?,...but yes, it was to a letter I got from the FAA about a year ago, about performing a hover check, due to a rise in related incidents! I myself have seen quite a few videos of pilots just yanking it off the ground right into a turn! She wasn't as extreme as some, but I would have sat in a hover a bit longer myself!

As for cruising collective hand off? I don't think I do it,...I guess I'll have to see next time I go up? :)
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Posted 29 April 2018 - 17:42

I came along this thread just recently and I know it's older but I thought that in a Schweizer I wouldn't take my hand off the collective at all and if necessary only with the friction on, at least I was told that way by my flight instructor.
Yesterday I had my first training lesson in the R44 and I was told exactly the oposite. No need to continuously work on the collective, take your hand off the collective in normal level flight with just gentle changes in altitude. 
Hey works for me, so I can drink a coffee or play with the radio... :rolleyes:  ;)


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 11:56

I couldn't take my hand off the collective without friction in a Schweizer either,...'cause every time I did it fell down. It was a real pain in the ass 'cause my glasses kept slidding down my nose forcing me to take my hand off to push them back up,...and down we'd go. Its a great way to surprise your instructor!

The 22's not much better, it either creeps up or down, so my hand seems to either be on it or cover it all the time.

The 44's different, much more stable, so yeah, you can let go for long periods of time without anything happening. You can even let go of the cyclic, my intructor's record for that was eighteen minutes before the helicopter needed corrected.
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Posted 02 May 2018 - 06:02

Lean your left leg over against the collective to hold it in position. Simples. Tschhkz!


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Posted 02 May 2018 - 15:08

Hydraulic actuators stabilize control movements. No need to hold a collective all the time.

Her turn and burn...not a general safe practice, I wouldnt do it, as statistics show the engine failure rates occure immediately following a large power change.
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Posted 02 May 2018 - 23:59

There's another thread on here with a link to her blog.  She crashed her bird into some trees not too long ago.

 

Anyways, at cruise altitude I don't always keep my hand on the collective.  A little friction will hold it right in place to free up a hand for working radios, etc.  That said, I'm always ready to get it down in a heartbeat if I need to.  I also tried to guard the throttle as much as possible, especially in my old bird where a FADEC failure was a very real threat.



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Posted 05 May 2018 - 19:48

 

 

Hydraulic actuators stabilize control movements. No need to hold a collective all the time.

Well..... Hueys sometimes had a rising collective, and would pull a power check on themselves if you were too busy looking at a map - the BEEEEEP of the low RPM warning is a real wake-up call.

 

In others, just the weight of the collective will cause it to fall if not enough friction. All the hydraulics do is make movement of the control lighter - they don't stop the movement or lock the control, which would defeat the purpose when trying to make a teensy adjustment.



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Posted 06 May 2018 - 11:03

The Astar collective has a tendency to want to move to point with a little 'up' from full down. I've heard this called a trim point, at which you would want the collective without hydraulics in flight, approximating a neutral point in all the bearings and the "Tristar" (head).
There is a coil spring in the collective base assembly that is adjusted in steps to offset this force, reducing the tendency to rise to fall to that point. As everything wears, that spring setting will require changes from time to time, but all of'em fly with some friction on the lever.
That is also why the pilot locks the collective down after landing. When the control boost is ineffective the collective rises to that point if not locked. If the collective is not down and locked and you have sufficient rotor, the aircraft will try to fly, kind of embarrasing as you start, shut-down...

Edited by Wally, 06 May 2018 - 11:09.

Just a pilot (retired, so I have a LOT of time)...


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 13:12

This kind of critique is exactly why I don't post videos anymore.  You just open yourself up to every pilot who thinks they "know better" and nitpick every little thing you do.  


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 15:08

I hear ya buddy, really grinds my gears when that damn nitpicky FAA insists they know better than me! Don't they know what an awesome pilot I am?!

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 21:09



You ask me, the FAA would get their point across better if they started issuing video SAFO's
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 08:53

I hear ya buddy, really grinds my gears when that damn nitpicky FAA insists they know better than me! Don't they know what an awesome pilot I am?!

https://www.faasafet...w.aspx?nid=6910

 

Butters, you always come off as knowing more than the other person.  Your attitude would not make it in the civilian or military sector, me thinks.

 

I guess no-hover take offs are too dangerous to perform? 


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 18:15

Butters, you always come off as knowing more than the other person.  Your attitude would not make it in the civilian or military sector, me thinks.
 
I guess no-hover take offs are too dangerous to perform?


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 19:52

It is true, I am awesome!!!

 

Nowhere in my post, did I state, or even imply, your level of "awesomeness".  I will just assume what I will assume... 


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 21:47

Nowhere in my post, did I state, or even imply, your level of "awesomeness".  I will just assume what I will assume...


Well as an old boss (and wonderful human being) once said to me,...

"You know what happens when you assume".
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 22:02

 
I guess no-hover take offs are too dangerous to perform?


Oh yeah, almost forgot Mud,..

Take a look at item #3 on the second page of the SAFO under "recommended action",...:D

,...and that's "number" 3 not hashtag 3!
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