Jump to content


TigerTugsVRForumGen468Frasca VRForum468Helicopter AcademyVOLO_VRGeneral468
Photo
- - - - -

The Cessna 172 of Helicopters


  • Please log in to reply
11 replies to this topic

#1 LJS1993

LJS1993

    VR Veteran Poster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 96 posts

Posted 05 April 2018 - 23:27

Is there a "Cessna 172" equivalent aircraft in the helicopter world?  By that I mean a helicopter that is considered very stable for a beginning pilot and simply known as a rock solid entry level aircraft?



#2 Thedude

Thedude

    VR Veteran Poster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 111 posts

Posted 05 April 2018 - 23:42

No such thing as a stable helicopter and a beginning pilot. Airplanes actually want to fly and are good at doing it without much pilot input, helicopters not so much.
  • TomPPL and LJS1993 like this

#3 Eric Hunt

Eric Hunt

    VR Veteran Poster

  • VR Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 793 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Near the beach

Posted 06 April 2018 - 00:04

Bell 47 was reasonably stable, for a helicopter. But helicopters are by nature dynamically unstable, though in forward flight there is some stability in yaw.

 

Aeroplanes are designed to fly, and will do so, unless some dopey pilot interferes with it and makes it crash.

 

Helicopters are designed to crash, and will do so, if the dopey pilot forgets to fly it.

 

If your analogy is for a "very common" trainer, like the Cessna, it would probably be the R22, but it certainly ain't stable. Rock solid? More like eggshell fragile.


  • TomPPL, rotornut67 and LJS1993 like this

#4 TailEndCharlie

TailEndCharlie

    PVT Poster

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 23 posts

Posted 06 April 2018 - 00:21

R44
  • LJS1993 likes this

#5 takefootoff

takefootoff

    VR Veteran Poster

  • VR Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 281 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 April 2018 - 04:14

300Cbi
  • Wally and LJS1993 like this

#6 mike0331

mike0331

    VR Veteran Poster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 371 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Massachusetts
  • Interests:Freedom & 'Merica
  • Company working for:USMC Infantry, Lawyer(ish)

Posted 06 April 2018 - 07:55

Isn't the Cabri G2 supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread for new pilots? Not exactly like it's super common though (yet). I've taken one lesson in an R44 an one in an R22. The R44 was significantly more comfortable to fly. That said, I'm glad the army will be picking up the rest of the tab and using something that feels a bit less like it will fall out of the sky. Sorry Butters. 

 

Mike


  • LJS1993 likes this

#7 mudkow60

mudkow60

    VR Veteran Poster

  • VR Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 145 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 April 2018 - 08:24

For us Navy, Marine, Coast Guard (and some foreign national's), it's the good old TH-57 (B206)...


  • Wally and LJS1993 like this

#8 r22butters

r22butters

    VR Veteran Poster

  • VR Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,965 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pluto,...at least until the next election :) ,...damn the wifi here is unbelievable!
  • Interests:Admiring the city lights and coastal sunsets from a thousand feet,...when I have the dough. :)

    ,...oh' yeah, and boobs!
    😕+🍟+🚁+🌃=☺
    .
  • Company working for:Just a happy casual renter! :)

Posted 06 April 2018 - 11:32

The Enstrom F280C. Its built like a tank, can accommodate the fatties, and autos so slow and smooth you'll think you're doing a power on running landing!

Well after fifteen and a half years they finally went from saying "the pilot shortage is coming", to "the pilot shortage is here!"  Yep, 2018, year of the pilot shortage!  

 

,...didn't seem that big a shortage though?  In fact if you blinked, you'd of missed it,...me, I was out taking a wiz,...dammit!  :lol:


#9 RisePilot

RisePilot

    COM Poster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 30 posts

Posted 06 April 2018 - 12:05

The Enstrom F280C

 

Yes, but unlike the C172, these are far from ubiquitous.

 

​I've been flying helicopters privately for 12yrs and have flown in UK, Spain, France, South Africa, Australia and the US - I've never encountered an Enstrom except once in a static display at an expo.  

 

​I've seen photos on the internet, but where all these Enstroms?



#10 r22butters

r22butters

    VR Veteran Poster

  • VR Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,965 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pluto,...at least until the next election :) ,...damn the wifi here is unbelievable!
  • Interests:Admiring the city lights and coastal sunsets from a thousand feet,...when I have the dough. :)

    ,...oh' yeah, and boobs!
    😕+🍟+🚁+🌃=☺
    .
  • Company working for:Just a happy casual renter! :)

Posted 06 April 2018 - 12:14

Yes, but unlike the C172, these are far from ubiquitous.[/size]
 
​I've been flying helicopters privately for 12yrs and have flown in UK, Spain, France, South Africa, Australia and the US - I've never encountered an Enstrom except once in a static display at an expo.  [/size]
 
​I've seen photos on the internet, but where all these Enstroms?[/size]


San Carlos, California, northwest ramp, in front of a Burger King. :)

Well after fifteen and a half years they finally went from saying "the pilot shortage is coming", to "the pilot shortage is here!"  Yep, 2018, year of the pilot shortage!  

 

,...didn't seem that big a shortage though?  In fact if you blinked, you'd of missed it,...me, I was out taking a wiz,...dammit!  :lol:


#11 avbug

avbug

    VR Veteran Poster

  • VR Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,386 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 06 April 2018 - 14:38

Airplanes actually want to fly and are good at doing it without much pilot input, helicopters not so much.

 

 

That really depends on the airplane.



#12 Thedude

Thedude

    VR Veteran Poster

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 111 posts

Posted 06 April 2018 - 21:39

That really depends on the airplane.


It’s obviously a broad generalization but it is still generally true.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users



HeliHelmetsMaunaLoaSoftwareVRGeneral200NFCVRGeneral200Spectrum_VRGeneral468Genesys VRForum200_GeneralPrecisionVRForumGeneral200AMTC - GeneralBE_VRGen200