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#1 Joseph-Sherman

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:21

I was thinking about looking to purchase a Bo 105. I know they are an older aircraft and parts might be an issue, are they worth checking into?

Also I understand if need to the aft seat can fold down. Is that one seat and if possible are there 50 50 split or 60 40?

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 10:39

What are you planning to do with this aircraft?

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 11:52

What are you planning to do with this aircraft?

Everything! Anything that has to be moved. There's an area  about 10 to 15 miles from town where there's dirt bikers, horse back riding, ect. Every now and then somebody gets hurt. Because an ambulance takes so long to get to these remote areas some are forced to be placed in the back of a pickup truck. Four wheelers are not exactly smooth.

 I want my own helicopter and I did my research. I know the Bo is a workhorse. Never seeing one in person I didn't know anything except what I read. I'm familiar with Bell, MD, a little on AS350 and Robinson.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 18:54

Everything! Anything that has to be moved. There's an area  about 10 to 15 miles from town where there's dirt bikers, horse back riding, ect. Every now and then somebody gets hurt. Because an ambulance takes so long to get to these remote areas some are forced to be placed in the back of a pickup truck. Four wheelers are not exactly smooth.

 I want my own helicopter and I did my research. I know the Bo is a workhorse. Never seeing one in person I didn't know anything except what I read. I'm familiar with Bell, MD, a little on AS350 and Robinson.

There's a reason why BO105s were the HEMS helicopter but not so much now. 

 

The BO pilots I know are of two distinct opinions, with almost no middle ground- they LOVE Boelkows or they HATE them.  I suspect they are kinda maintenance intensive compared to later models, they're basically 1970s aircraft.  I would want access to magician, er- A&P who knows and loves them.


Just a pilot (retired, so I have a LOT of time)...


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 21:51

There's a reason why BO105s were the HEMS helicopter but not so much now. 

 

The BO pilots I know are of two distinct opinions, with almost no middle ground- they LOVE Boelkows or they HATE them.  I suspect they are kinda maintenance intensive compared to later models, they're basically 1970s aircraft.  I would want access to magician, er- A&P who knows and loves them.

Makes sense. Didn't give thought to maintenance in that sense. I know bell, from all the research I'm getting looks like Longranger is the way to go.

Thank you



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 02:42

Makes sense. Didn't give thought to maintenance in that sense. I know bell, from all the research I'm getting looks like Longranger is the way to go.

Thank you

 

How do you get a stretcher in a longranger?


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 04:37

We had a 206L with the stretcher modification - copilot seat comes out, seat back swings forward (hinged on broom closet) so victim's feet can't interfere with controls, rear-facing seat comes out, left-side rear seat comes out, stretcher locks into clips on back wall. Similar to regular 206 kit, but stretcher foot doesn't go right into chin area like on the little fella.

 

Joe-Sherm, be awfully cautious of the insurance ramifications of a voluntary unqualified "medevac" operation. You might be up for some serious liability when the ambulance-chasers get involved.


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 18:24

Thank you Mr. Hunt

You make sense but if someone is hurt and hurt badly and they ask for help and for a quick ride how can you say no?! Not planning on charging. How is it different from a vehicle and helicopter when it comes to a ride?

I will definitely talk to insurance agent



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 19:53

Thank you Mr. Hunt

You make sense but if someone is hurt and hurt badly and they ask for help and for a quick ride how can you say no?! Not planning on charging. How is it different from a vehicle and helicopter when it comes to a ride?

I will definitely talk to insurance agent

 

I'm guessing if you move someone who is badly hurt, in a truck or helicopter, and you make their injuries worse by moving them without a proper diagnosis first ie spinal injury, internal bleeding, etc, you could get sued by the person you're trying to help. If it's just a broken limb or something similar, you'd probably be okay but you wouldn't need a stretcher for those types of injuries.

 

If a person is injured badly enough to need a stretcher, you could be doing them more harm than good by moving them without proper medical attention first, and possibly get sued in the process.

 

You might be able to get around it by having the injured person sign a waiver first, if they're able to.

 

Similar issues with flying friends around in a private helicopter. If you crash they could sue you for all kinds of things. I actually have anyone who wants to fly with me sign a waiver or we don't go flying, family members excluded.


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 07:45

I have been in helicopter tours that didn't have its customers sign waivers before so I don't know if a waiver really would offer protection in these type of situations.

From what I understand about law, if gross negligence can be proven it doesn't matter what you signed. No matter what a company tells you, they can't legally prevent you from suing them if it's proven they knew you had a good chance of being injured or killed, or the laws were not followed.

So for example cherminator, if in a crash your friends could prove you regular skipped checklist items or didn't perform W&B then that would be considered gross negligence.
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Posted 23 June 2018 - 13:13

 

I'm guessing if you move someone who is badly hurt, in a truck or helicopter, and you make their injuries worse by moving them without a proper diagnosis first ie spinal injury, internal bleeding, etc, you could get sued by the person you're trying to help. If it's just a broken limb or something similar, you'd probably be okay but you wouldn't need a stretcher for those types of injuries.

 

If a person is injured badly enough to need a stretcher, you could be doing them more harm than good by moving them without proper medical attention first, and possibly get sued in the process.

 

You might be able to get around it by having the injured person sign a waiver first, if they're able to.

 

Similar issues with flying friends around in a private helicopter. If you crash they could sue you for all kinds of things. I actually have anyone who wants to fly with me sign a waiver or we don't go flying, family members excluded.

 I failed to mention I am an EMT and I plan to say to anyone if they wanted to get to a hospital or clinic right away I would take them but I assume no responsibility other that. Then I would leave it up to them.

Waiver is a good idea



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 13:57

Just slap an Uber sticker on the side of the chopper,...I hear people are "ride-sharing" them to hospitals more and more these days :)
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