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About EchoPapa97

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  1. I did assume that people new more than I thought they did with the new law and ATPs and I didn't explain things very well. I fly both fixed wing and rotorcraft categories so I tend to forget people who know one don't know a lot about the other. I've had some fixed wing pilot's look at my like I had two heads when I've talked about rotorcraft things with them...
  2. By survival tactic I meant that most people don't want to instruct. Like you said, they're instructing because they have to if they ever want to find a job. Thus they are surviving, not thriving. I didn't mean that it wasn't an important learning phase.
  3. Not really, an ATP is more like a Captain's license in the airline industry. Now your going to basically have two captains in the cockpit instead of one. Not to mention you need a type rating to use your ATP so you have to spend 10 grand to get type rated in the jet you intend to fly before you get the job. The new HR5900 law was basically the result of the Colgan Air Flight 3407 crash. Its not much different from how Bush's Homeland Security was able to get through. People got scared and made irrational decisions.
  4. I'm not basing any of my career decisions on what the industry is saying. I could care less if there was a pilot shortage or not a single job available. I understand there will be a lot of living poor until you can land a job. I understand the huge financial debt I will be in. I understand the risks. I know this stuff has been said before. The whole point was that I wanted to discuss is if this shortage became true, what affects would it have had on other aviation related industries. Like the helicopter industry. I am in no way one of those new guys who is saying," Upcoming pilot shortage, should I become a pilot?" I already am. I've made the decision. I have both a fixed wing private with a multi engine add-on and a private rotorcraft. I'm not being baited into this career, I know it will be hard.
  5. Its great being a new forum member, automatically slapped with the "oh look he's new, lets not take him seriously, he must be naive and dumb." I thought this was all bs at first, but I've talked to many people about it in the airline industry that are taking it seriously. I've talked to Line Managers, Airline Pilots, family members in aviation who all believe this actually holds some weight. I have first hand sources from some fairly reputable people, and the best anyone here can come up with is "Oh they've been saying the for years." I mean can any of you come up with anything other than "it won't happen." Seriously, I thought forums were for discussion. How about something like why it won't happen. Evidence, facts, ect. I'm a reasonable open minded guy, discuss it, convince me. Don't just sit an refuse to think that maybe a new guy might know a thing or two. This is a quote from Captain Afton(who is also the Hiring Manager, I would think a hiring manager would be proficient on this topic) of Express Jet Airlines "There aren't enough pilot's in flight school right now to meet the demands of the airlines in the next 10 years." Also another thing that is going to hugely affect the airline job market is the HR5900 law which will require every FO to have at least 1500 hours of total flight time and hold a current ATP. Right now you only need about 800 hours to be hired on a regional with no ATP. This is going to create a huge deficit of regional airline pilot's as well. The reason there hasn't been the big retirement chunk yet is because it was delayed by 5 years by increasing the retirement age of airline pilot's from 60 to 65 years old.
  6. http://travel.usatod...soar/48661596/1 I'm not sure its exactly exaggerated. I actually mentioned this to the flight school and brought it up to the Reps from the airlines to get them talking about it. It sure as hell isn't "internet rumor."
  7. Good point. I didn't think of this. I guess I meant more of an entry level job after instructing. Instructing seems more like a survival tactic than a job to me lol
  8. This came from a captain at Delta who was working to get a preferential hiring of our flight program at my university. An express jet HR rep said the same thing. I don't know the exact figure but it was between 1/3 and 1/2 of the industries pilot's.
  9. I wasn't saying it was going to be a massive affect on the helicopter job market and its going to be a pilot market. Not at all. All I was saying was I thought that because the airlines are losing almost half of their pilot workforce over then next 5-10 years that some people considering a career in aviation might choose airlines for the better career opportunity. i.e. there won't be the ominous furlough horror stories that were a problem the past decade. And I would say some people are just happy flying no matter what they fly and a lot of people will choose the Category of aviation that has better job opportunities. Not everyone flies ONLY because they love it. I'm not saying this will happen, I'm saying in my mind, its a possibility. Crazier things have happened.
  10. With the huge amount of retirements coming up do you guys think it will have some kind of affect on the helicopter job market? I think it would because more people that would have otherwise tried for a helicopter career will go fixed wing for the better opportunities, leaving more jobs available for entry level helicopter pilots. Just a speculation.
  11. Zippie, Some of the pilot's I've talked to told me long line firefighting was the first jobs they got after flight instructing and it was their first turbine hours. I figured this would be accurate because most of the long line helicopters I've seen were very old birds and long line is pretty dangerous flying. Which is why I wouldn't think there would be a lot of high hour pilots after that kind of job. Too much dirty work. High hour pilot's want the safe medvac, oil rig, border patrol jobs with retirement and benefits. Know what I'm saying? Right now I'm debating whether or not to fly helicopters or fixed wing and fly for the airlines. I've got my rotorcraft and fixed wing private. I'm working on my fixed-wing instrument currently.
  12. I've been looking into a helicopter career and looking at the experience requirements for jobs. Every single one of the them required at least 500 hours of turbine time. Now, the only ways I know some one could get that time is through the military or doing long line firefighting... I'd fly military in a heartbeat but I'm farsighted with an astigmatism. Lasik can't correct this. It has a high rate of regression and I would be worse off in about 4 years. Not good for a long term career. So I'm stuck with contacts that can correct me to 20/20. So the military option is out. So is there anything other the long line firefighting to build TT? Also what are some options for building multi turbine time?
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