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  1. I think all of the safety aspects of the SFAR should be mandatory in primary training, and this can be enforced through the Practical Testing Standards. I just don't feel it is necessary to single out Robinson. You are right there is money in it all, but the insurance industry regulates most of this far greater anyhow. I just am not in agreement with the hours part of it all, and the fact that it is an SFAR instead of just revising the PTS. I don't like the fact that no matter how competent a pilot proves to be, or how safety concious he/she is, they can't fly Robinsons without a certain amount of time in them. Not to say that just anyone should be able to jump right into one and fly, but each person is different in their ability and comprehension. These are just my opinions, and won't be the base of my paper. I haven't had enough chance to dig through enough research, but I do appreciate all of your input, it will help give me a direction! Thanks, Dave
  2. Hello all, I am writing a research paper on the need for SFAR 73. In my opinion all helicopter pilots need/get the training required by SFAR 73. It is important for all pilots to know those safety items. So, why do we need to single out the Robinson's any longer? The 300C has a low inertia rotor system, and there are several semi-rigid rotor systems out there. So my feeling is, that everyone needs to learn the training covered by SFAR 73, so there really isn't a need to single out Robinson's for this training, and hours requirements. This is the jist of how I currently feel about it. I am going to try and dig into it a bit deeper. Do any of you have any information, opinions, or pointers with where to go for information on this subject? Any feelings on getting rid of the SFAR? Any feelings on why we need to keep it in place? I would love to hear your opinions. Dave
  3. Ok, The idea of an approach to descend to your landing spot keeping a constant path. This involves slowing your descent rate at the same time you are slowing your airspeed as you approach your spot. There is not one right approach for all situations, but generally there is one safer approach for each situation. I would like to get your opinion on which of the following two approaches you would use and why. If you think one of them is unsafe, or more unsafe, let me know that too. Also, if you don’t like either approach and have a better suggestion, I would love to hear it. Ok, here we go. We are in a Schweizer 300C. Density Altitude is 6,400 feet. I don’t have the exact weight and balance stuff in front of me right now, but we have two 200 pound pilots, and about 20 gallons of fuel. When terminating either approach, we have full power and a very high collective setting to hover. I am not 100% now, but I don’t think normal hover work takes full power, but it is definitely up there. Now to the approaches: #1: We turn final at 300 feet and 60 knots, slowing to 45 knots. We maintain this until the site picture is correct and initiate descent. We continue slowing as we descend. At about 150 feet AGL we are slowed to 35 knots. We cross through 40 feet AGL at 20 knots. We finish through, passing through ETL at about 20 feet AGL, and bring it down at a brisk walking pace from there. The idea of the above approach is to bring the descent rate to a very negligible level to avoid coming down too fast and breaking through with a hard landing. The descent is gentle without the need to make a large power move, as you have your power in earlier. #2: We turn final at 300 feet and 60 knots, slowing to 45 knots. We maintain this until the site picture is correct and initiate descent. We continue our descent on our approach path gently slowing as we get lower. We cross through 30 feet AGL at 30 knots. As ETL is passed through (about 10-15 feet AGL) power is pulled in to arrest the descent rate. After power is pulled in, there is a gentle forward move to walk to the spot. The idea of this approach is to stay out of the gray area of the height velocity chart as long as possible. Also, to carry ETL as low as possible, in case a running landing is necessary. Alright, that is pretty much it. Let me know which of the two you like better, and why. I appreciate your help with this one! I hope this will give you all something to think about, and generate a decent debate (pun intended). Dave
  4. Zemogman's suggestion is the best yet. How a line of credit works is you get checks or some other way to borrow money against your home's equity. They will approve you for a certain amount (based on the equity of the home), and you can take a draw or write a check at any time, basically this increases the amount you have borrowed on the house. For example, you get approved for a line of credit for $50,000, you can go to the flight school and write them a check for $300 for the first lesson, now you have $300 borrowed, and only accrue interest on the $300, until you write another check (or however they allow you to take a draw from the account). This way would save you a bit of money by not paying interest on a lump sum, and will also let you only borrow exactly what you need. And, as stated, will give your father all of the tax benefits that goes along with a home equity loan. Good Luck! Dave
  5. This is a good point, with benefits that I didn't think about. Just make sure it is what you want to do... Dave
  6. Just to play the devil's advocate here. Lets look at this another way. A helicopter student can afford the extra $500 per month, but wants to heed everyone's advise and pay as he goes instead of getting a loan where he will have a $500 per month payment. Now, I know there are less expensive and more expensive schools, but let's say training is going to cost them on average $250/hr. So, this person undertakes helicopter training for a career, and is flying as they can, approximately 2 hours per month, as long as the car tires don't go flat, or the power bill is higher than expected (you know usual life stuff). To be fair tax time does come around, where they can purchase a block of time or a couple extra lessons, so we will stick to the 2 hours per month. This training will take them 8 years and 4 months to finish with 200 hours, assuming they can retain commercial standards while extending training for that long. That is quite a while for a kid out of high school who wants to be a helicopter pilot, and is just flipping burgers for a while until he can build hours to start flying for money. Don't get me wrong, I am all about staying out of debt and trying to do things without taking out loans, but it is just not practical for everyone. From what I have seen, the folks that are training to become career helicopter pilots rarely have the money to just pay for training. Most that can afford it are not interested in becoming career pilots. Let's face it, it is going to be a rare person who currently has an extra $25,000 per year to train, and then leave a job so they can CFI for a couple years at a tremendously lower salary, to leave a job that gave them an extra $25,000 a year?? Now with all that said: Helifool, I have to agree with Sparker, I would wait on the second mortgage on the house until you are sure that you know both what you are getting into and that you are sure you want to be a helicopter pilot. Perhaps you can use the first loan, and work on the side to save the money for the rest by the time you need more money? There are a few schools that can get you through for around $50,000. Another option is to just get your Private, Commercial, and CFI, and try to find a job instructing. This might not be realistic, as insurance requirements are usually at 200 hours, so it makes it impractical to build an extra 50 hours without getting an instrument rating... The other thing, and I am sure you have picked up on this already: I personally would never pay all of that money to a flight school up front. This is normally a very bad idea, but is compounded when one is putting up their home for it. It is good policy to find a school where you can pay as you go, and who will treat you like a customer who is about to spend $50,000 or more at their "store". Good luck, my only advice is to really look into what helicopter flying is all about, and I don't mean pulling pitch, I mean what it takes to earn a career doing it. When I started, I just thought it would be some training and then I would get a great paying helicopter pilot job. That is how I went into my training. I don't regret my decision for a minute, but I definately had a point of realization where I knew I got myself into something way bigger than I originally thought, and that it would take much more work than I expected, and most likely at least one big move to pursue this career. I am not saying it isn't worth it, I am saying make sure you know what you are about to get into. As long as you know what is all entailed, flying helicopters one of my greatest personal achievement to date. Good luck with your decision! Dave
  7. what are you training in down there? Anyone rent Schweizer 300's down that way without being a student? Thanks, Dave
  8. That is a huge accomplishment! It seemed like the first 100 hours took me forever! Congrats! Dave
  9. Fry, Thanks for the great post, a great warning to all! I am curious what you think and what everyone thinks of Sallie Mae wanting to give the student money right to the flight school for dispursement? As it stands now, they may break it up into dispursements, so they don't give a lump sum to a flight school, but the flight school still gets a bunch at a time. I personally like the pay as you go, but with Sallie Mae being a huge lender, there really isn't much way around this. Many flight schools may like having the money up front, but personally, it is a large responsibility to try and keep track of funds for several students. What are flight schools doing with Sallie Mae money? It seems like it would be tremendously impractical to open accounts in students name's if you have several students using Sallie Mae. I can kind of see Sallie Mae's side, they don't want people using career training loans to buy cars and such, but what makes the flight school more accountable than a student? The above post shows that they can be worse than a student handling their own money... at least if the student buys a car, they got something for their money... What suggestions are there for how to handle required pay-up-front monies? Anyway, I guess this is just another example, demonstrating that it is definately buyer beware when it comes to paying up front for flight training. Dave
  10. The only thing I would think about when buying an older Hughes, is that there are a few ADs that need to be taken care of, or inspected on a regular basis. Other than that, I don't think the price is out of hand at all. Especially if the blades have a bunch of time like mentioned above. Good Luck! Dave
  11. I saw that they were moving to Helena, maybe that is why they were advertising a new seminar up there. I know there can be good things that come from their advertising, such as bringing attention to the industry, and bringing potential students to me, which is good, but I would like to be able to give prospective students a way to compare schools without me just talking. I only started this thread to try and get some current/former student information to give to prospective students that are looking into their program. That is the best way to rate a school, so I was hoping there would be some willing students who would like to give their critique of the school, good or bad. I think Joker had a great idea for an online debate.. perhaps then we could get an accurate picture of what the training is like there.... get the pros and cons, I think it would be a great resource for potential students. I looked into their program before I started training, and it was very difficult for me to get answers, other than a brochure or seminar... Wannabe, I appreciate your input as to your experience with the school. I hope your training with them brings you to where you want to go! It is good of you to share your experiences, as it takes both good and bad feedback to give a school its credibility. Just remember when you are interacting with others and you are trying to give the school a good image, your attitude and interaction will reflect on the school as well as yourself. Again, thank you all for your input, I am not sure this is the thread where I will send prospective students LOL... but maybe we will eventually get some more school critiques in the section above... Have a great one! Dave
  12. Thank you all for your responses thus far... I can see that I may have come across in the wrong way, as a couple of you have pointed out. My intention was not to sling-mud at SSH, but just to educate students about what helicopter training in general is all about. If I give a student a realistic picture of what they can expect: paying a bunch for training, and then having to find a CFI job (usually entails moving somewhere, and making a very low wage) to build the 1000 hours necessary to get employment with most major helicopter companies, before they can expect to move to the gulf or a tourist spot to get a decent job; then that same student goes to a competitor and get a bunch of unrealistic promises, who are they going to train with? Normally, I would not be concerned, figuring if they try the competition out and don't like them, they will come back and train with me, and vice versa. This all changes when a student is locked into a contract that is very difficult to get out of at a later date. My goal here is not to dirty up the industry with negative pot-shots, just to try and level the playing field a little bit without having to make promises to students that I cannot live up to. I hope this clarifies my position a little bit. I truly am just looking for a resource that I can send people to where they can get honest answers from former/current students. Much like the goal of the "Helicopter Sutdents" thread above that asks students to rate their current/former schools. I hope I have not offended anyone here too much. Thank you all for the constructive critique of my post. Dave
  13. Hey guys. I just got my flight school up and running, and put some advertisement on the air. Within a week of doing this, Silver State Helicopters decides to have a seminar about 80 miles away, and bombard the local stations with promises of no money needed, $50-100,000 dollars per year, and pretty much a guarantee of work. So now I have a couple prospective students whom are questioning me about financing and guaranteed work. I can tell them that Silver State will not give them a job, and that they will pay more after all is said and done by going through SSH, but I have not attended SSH, so what do I know? My question for all of you, is do you know of any former students who are willing to talk about their experience with SSH. It seems to me that one of the major problems is lack of flying time, and that only the top 10% are guaranteed scheduled flying time. I have talked to one ex-student, who stopped SSH, and finished his CFI way before the people in his SSH class had. I think it would be a valuable resource for prospective students, if there were more readily available information from former students about how things worked with that company, and the true availability of jobs when training is finished. As of now, the only answers I can give to the interested folks is that I would just make sure I had all the information before I signed a contract for that kind of money. It would be nice to be able to point these prospective students to a resource for the real information. I am not saying that SSH doesn't work for some people, I just think that their seminars aren't painting a realistic picture of what SSH actually offers. But by the time the student figures this out, they have already signed a contract and loan agreement. Anyway, any advise or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Dave
  14. Some great flying that's for sure! Looks like a ton of fun! Dave
  15. Congrats! That is huge, is the student on the board too? Dave
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