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  1. https://www.hcpro.com/SAF-231016-877/Helicopter-exhaust-fumes-result-in-fine-for-LA-hospital.html
  2. helonorth Thanks for your comments. I think you understand where I'm coming from. The most (potentially) affected part of the neighborhood is along a road with houses on both sides. A point like feature. The land curves in the middle of the neighborhood creating a baylike waterfront surrounded by homes. The heli would come in from the lake to land. There are homes, trees and high elevation from any other direction. I used "densely populated" to describe the setting. Like you said, it is a residential neighborhood. No open spaces or large properties. It is very quiet and peaceful except on July 4! I came on the forum asking for expert opinions/wisdom from pilots of siting a heli pad in the middle of the neighborhood. I dont have any personal experience so I am thankful for any thoughts you all have. There is no room for error. He's never landed there. It hasn't been built yet. One neighbor said he isnt yet licensed for this type or size of heli. But thats heresay. I dont know if there are different licenses depending on size. . I'm not looking for "ammunition" to use against this guy, just good information. Your honest opinions help. Thank you. And for the record, I'm a beer girl 🍻!
  3. Nearly retired I’m not anti aviation. I love to fly! A heli pilot save my dads life. My niece is a paramedic on a heli. We have 3 friends who pilot fixed wings and one who is a heli pilot. You completely missed the point of my inquiry. I’m not looking for “some support from “ you and “against this pilot”. I came to this site purposely to get some professional opinions from those who pilot helis. Who best to get expert opinions from but pilots? You can call it ammunition. I call it information. And to those who responded, I am thankful. If a viable option(s) already exists for safe, monitored landing with no disruption to the neighborhood, would you think that is the better/safer/smarter option? This is in a very small town and the city council didn’t see this coming so of course no ordinances were created to deal with such instances. In this case a protective fence can’t even be built around the proposed pad because, by existing ordinance, such fence would be too close to the lake. This “helicopter guy” has not ever landed on his newly purchased property . As to your suspicion that he wont be “coming and going from his lakefront all that often” etc.. who knows? I dont know what you mean by “making a bigger deal out of it than it really is” but if the fatal heli crash last year at the local airport is any factual example, I believe it is a pretty big deal. I’m sure they followed the FAA rules. As to the “noxious fumes” I just read an article that a hospital roof heli landing pad was responsible for making employees sick due to the heli fumes seeping into the building. I have the article if you’re interested.
  4. Helonorth- you made me laugh! Thanks for the story! 😂
  5. Hobie. Yep I agree. Years ago my dad got thrown from a horse. He was pretty badly hurt and we lived a ways from town. He was going into shock. Ambulance couldn't get there in time so a heli came and landed in the horse pasture (!) and whisked him away to hospital. Saved him. I have utmost respect for those piloting these helis. I hope it all works out. I appreciate your advice. Thank you!
  6. Hobie- I’m sorry. My emailing is getting my two stories intertwined. The Mayo pilot we know flies To and from Rochester MN. We’ve know him since he was a little boy. He isn’t the “new lake neighbor” that I’m talking about. I was just saying I knew a helicopter pilot and he’s a good guy and I can hear them flying over our house. That’s all. This soon to be new neighbor on the lake is a different guy. Different city about 3 hrs away. He is a business man that just bought an old place that he’s tearing down and building a new home and wants to build a heli pad next to house. He is the one taking the wine to a couple neighbors and the rather poor behavior at the lake city council meeting. He is asking for an open schedule to fly in and out whenever.
  7. Hey Eric. Thanks for your story! That’s awesome! Piloting is obviously your calling. It amazes me the level of confidence pilots have. (And assures me!). We know a couple jet pilots and the one heli guy. I just admire the heck out of them.
  8. Thanks iChris for the helpful info. Really appreciate it.
  9. Hi hand grenade pilot. Thanks for your input. I disagree about “nothing to gain” from this discussion. I’ve learned a lot reading all the comments. I really appreciate everyone chiming in. I am just looking for some honest opinions from heli pilots. Not safety, piloting skills, or flight plan critique. As I’ve said a few times, ASIDE from the safety issues, (let’s assume he is an excellent pilot and has top notch heli etc. take accidents out of the discussion) other issues such as noise, sand and shore land erosion, noxious fumes (neighbors 50’ away) downdraft from rotors, children playing at the beach, wildlife and waterfowl disruption, disruption of quiet lakeshore ambiance, etc. just gut feelings. Not scientific analysis. Is this the best landing location solution in this case. That’s all. Apparently the fellow did take a bottle of wine to a couple closest neighbors and introduced himself. Could be an ok guy. But really, if so, I wonder if he would take this self serving stance in the face of all the neighbor opposition. Given his behavior at the city council meetings he seems to not care what the neighbors think. That's his preogative. And if that’s the kind of guy he is we won’t Invite him over. No changing his stripes.
  10. The dude - of course he can do whatever he wants. He doesn’t have to be concerned at all for anyone other than himself.
  11. Hobie- we live in a different city and have a lake cabin A few hours away. Common in Minnesota. The hospital helicopter traffic doesn’t bother me. They fly right above our home. I always feel sad when I hear them as it means someone has been injured badly enough or other wisely needs transfer to Mayo Rochester. Our hospital isn’t as equipped to handle some cases so they stabilize the patient then fly them out. And yes I agree - we know a Mayo heli pilot. He’s top notch. Safety aside, there are other more potentially injurious issues I am concerned about. Not the human physical kind. But the environmental and “quality of lake life” kind. Perhaps this fellow is used to flying everywhere in his heli. But he’s a rare cat in this neck of the woods. The folks living on the lake are pretty typical midwesterners. They like the lake quiet, serene, safe, friendly to kids and wildlife, etc. they frown upon loud boats and have even enacted an ordinance to keep the “Wake boats” with loud speakers and big wakes far from shore. Regarding safety, I am no expert. thats not my only concern. interesting story- At one time my sister was responsible for deer counts in a city in Iowa. She was asked to fly with heli pilot to do a count. He told her that the highest cause of death among wildlife biologists was heli crashes. Whether he was being factual or anecdotal, she politely declined to complete the count. Thanks for your feedback. I’m not against this form of transportation. I just think there’s a better solution for this situation.
  12. Hobie- we live in a different city and have a lake cabin A few hours away. Common in Minnesota. The hospital helicopter traffic doesn’t bother me. They fly right above our home. I always feel sad when I hear them as it means someone has been injured badly enough or other wisely needs transfer to Mayo Rochester. Our hospital isn’t as equipped to handle some cases so they stabilize the patient then fly them out. And yes I agree - we know a Mayo heli pilot. He’s top notch. Safety aside, there are other more potentially injurious issues I am concerned about. Not the human physical kind. But the environmental and “quality of lake life” kind. Perhaps this fellow is used to flying everywhere in his heli. But he’s a rare cat in this neck of the woods. The folks living on the lake are pretty typical midwesterners. They like the lake quiet, serene, safe, friendly to kids and wildlife, etc. they frown upon loud boats and have even enacted an ordinance to keep the “Wake boats” with loud speakers and big wakes far from shore. Regarding safety, I am no expert. thats not my only concern. interesting story- At one time my sister was responsible for deer counts in a city in Iowa. She was asked to fly with heli pilot to do a count. He told her that the highest cause of death among wildlife biologists was heli crashes. Whether he was being factual or anecdotal, she politely declined to complete the count. Thanks for your feedback. I’m not against this form of transportation. I just think there’s a better solution for this situation.
  13. Hobie- the heli is just picking up a patient to transport elsewhere. It lands on the roof. It is on hospital property far away from neighborhoods. Yes it’s a lot different than this guy wanting to use one to get around. I’m not opposed to helicopters at all. Just don’t want to open the door to heli traffic on the usually quiet, idyllic lake front. To land it would have to come straight at the lakeshore towards the center of a densely populated neighborhood. 50’ from next door neighbor.
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