Snow on the Rockies * 333 & 300

[RkyMtnHI]

Can you believe we got snow in August!! What happened to global warming?? (don't take that serious, i know it's a reality!!)

 

dp

[67november]

Can you believe we got snow in August!! What happened to global warming?? (don't take that serious, i know it's a reality!!)

 

dp

 

yip, I was standing on the continential (sp?) divide overlookiing the winter park ski resort in August an there was still 10' snow drifts all around.

 

go figure

[captkirkyota]

What happened to global warming?? (don't take that serious, i know it's a reality!!)

 

dp

 

Not!

[beckwith]

Not!

 

At the risk of starting the global warming vs flat earth debate how many hours a week would you say you devote to keeping your head buried in that sand?

[Sparker]

At the risk of starting the global warming vs flat earth debate how many hours a week would you say you devote to keeping your head buried in that sand?

 

Debate Started:

 

What makes anybody think we can stop it? The earth has warmed and cooled on its own long before we had coal burning power plants and burned millions of barrel of oil a year. The last 100-200 years of human activity (and temperature record keeping... remember, we don't know for sure how warm it was 3000 years ago) can not be blamed for natural cyclical patterns.

 

Scientists need funding for research. Scientists say "Hey, the globe is warming, give me some money and I'll figure out why" It's great for politicians, too. "Hey, the globe is warming, vote for me, and I'll stop it."

 

Global warming is to Democrats what National Security is to Republicans. "Hey, there's terrorists over there, vote for me and I'll stop them".

 

It's all a bunch of garbage, end of debate, I win.

Edited August 19, 2008 by Sparker

[captkirkyota]

Well since they are finding evidence of cultures and such in now ice covered lands and other things like that, I'd say that the earth was a tad bit warmer in the past. About 10 years ago science actually was saying in certain circles that the earth was the best temperature range about 100 years ago when it was 1 degree warmer, which we have not yet even warmed up by since the whole alarmist movement began all the throwing of fits they do now.

 

Science has said for years and years until it became a money generator not to adhere to the evidence, that the earth is on a cyclical 1-2 degree warming and cooling trend, I think it would be great if it warmed up some more.

Since evidence shows that the earth always has been going up and down, I think my head is anywhere but in the sand.

 

In the 70's the next great crisis the left tried to stir up was the coming ice age by the time I was 40. Well I'm 39 now.

 

ONE volcanic eruption cools the earth by a degree or more, and puts more "pollution" in the air than all of industrial society has since the industrial age was started. The earth is the most efficient recycler and self sustaining thing man could ever hope to reproduce.

 

Trees THRIVE on CO2, and then convert it into oxygen, so why then are we worried about rising CO2? Seems to me we should plant some more of those trees the left is so concerned about having been cut down.

 

It is the height of ARROGANCE to believe that man can do permanent damage or be able to subsequently fix global temperatures as it is being defined by the left. ( with the exception of a nuclear event, but even then the earth would eventually recover )

Look back over the last 40 years and you'll see that the socially left leaning, communistic, marxist types, have always been trying to bring up some type of crisis that shackles people under rules that the leaders and promoters of such beliefs would not themselves have to live by the constraints of, that they say the rest of everyone else needs to adopt for save us from our own demise.

Check out......

http://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPubli...1276219773/rid:

 

http://www.greenwatchamerica.com/

[SquirrelFlight]

Trees THRIVE on CO2, and then convert it into oxygen, so why then are we worried about rising CO2? Seems to me we should plant some more of those trees the left is so concerned about having been cut down.

 

Except that we are busy deforesting the planet at ever increasing rates.

 

The basic observable fact is that atmospheric CO2 rates are increasing at a faster rate than has ever been seen historically, with corresponding temperatures. This CO2 comes from many sources, and most climatologists believe that enough of it comes from human activity to be considered significant.

 

It is the height of arrogance to assume that we can abuse our ecosystem for centuries and not expect something to give.

 

The point isn't, as some of the "wacko" types say to "save the planet", the point is to retain our planet's ability to support the life form we call "human".

[captkirkyota]

Except that we are busy deforesting the planet at ever increasing rates.

 

The basic observable fact is that atmospheric CO2 rates are increasing at a faster rate than has ever been seen historically, with corresponding temperatures. This CO2 comes from many sources, and most climatologists believe that enough of it comes from human activity to be considered significant.

 

It is the height of arrogance to assume that we can abuse our ecosystem for centuries and not expect something to give.

 

The point isn't, as some of the "wacko" types say to "save the planet", the point is to retain our planet's ability to support the life form we call "human".

 

Agreed, hence we need to plant more trees, no matter what we do, the planet will always achieve the balance it needs. I don't advocate reckless abandon in the way we live, but I resent that the US as well as England , Australia and other industrialized nations that have done more for humanity than any other in the history of time, get all the blame for things that man can not affect in the large scale in which the left tries too assert.

Just like we have successfully managed to bring many species from endangerment and other things of similar type, we can arrest some of the effects we do have, albeit, they are still quite small, we can arrest the effects in ways which do not call for the kind of crap the enviro-movement, which is just a place for displaced communists to gather and try to achieve a form of power over humanity, we do not have to go to the lengths they want to impose on everyone but themselves.

 

Carbon Dioxide info video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDi_u0dcig

[beckwith]

Science has said for years and years until it became a money generator not to adhere to the evidence, that the earth is on a cyclical 1-2 degree warming and cooling trend, I think it would be great if it warmed up some more.

Since evidence shows that the earth always has been going up and down, I think my head is anywhere but in the sand.

 

it has always been going up and down but never at the rates we are seeing now. The concern is that a rapid change contributed to by human factors will overwhelm the earths ability to adapt.

 

I'm going to let slide your political comments.

[Sparker]

Can we also start talking about religion?

[adam32]

it has always been going up and down but never at the rates we are seeing now. The concern is that a rapid change contributed to by human factors will overwhelm the earths ability to adapt.

 

I'm going to let slide your political comments.

 

Yep, CO2 is on the rise, yet we haven't had ANY warming in a decade...how can that be...?

 

Mars average temp has risen about half a degree, and its ice fields are also melting...do you think our CO2 made it to Mars...I'm pretty sure the solar system and sun have just a little to do with "global warming"...

 

But, remember, the best way to solve "global warming" is to RAISE TAXES!!

[beckwith]

Yep, CO2 is on the rise, yet we haven't had ANY warming in a decade...how can that be...?

 

Mars average temp has risen about half a degree, and its ice fields are also melting...do you think our CO2 made it to Mars...I'm pretty sure the solar system and sun have just a little to do with "global warming"...

 

But, remember, the best way to solve "global warming" is to RAISE TAXES!!

 

How is it that temperatures can rise as part of a natural cycle yet not be rising at all?

 

At lest one of your statements is wrong or misleading. Either temperatures are not rising and we can go crazy, or there is celestial warming trend we can do nothing about so we may as well go nuts.

 

OR there is a third possibility that we are seeing a the affects of human waste on a massive and massively complex environmental system accentuating the natural fluctuations of our planet in a way that may be dangerous to all of us.

 

naah, Dick and W would have told us if anything bad where going to happen... Right?

[adam32]

How is it that temperatures can rise as part of a natural cycle yet not be rising at all?

 

At lest one of your statements is wrong or misleading. Either temperatures are not rising and we can go crazy, or there is celestial warming trend we can do nothing about so we may as well go nuts.

 

OR there is a third possibility that we are seeing a the affects of human waste on a massive and massively complex environmental system accentuating the natural fluctuations of our planet in a way that may be dangerous to all of us.

 

naah, Dick and W would have told us if anything bad where going to happen... Right?

 

 

Yep, there was "global warming" but now we haven't saw any warming in a decade...and the south pole is actually growing...part of a natural cycle...

 

There is absolutely nothing that little us as humans can do to stop climate change, just like back in the 70's when all these same types of people were saying we were going into another ice age...just think if we would have done the drastic things they wanted to do back then...?

 

And remember, human activity accounts for less then 2% of CO2 output...do you know what makes up the largest portion...?

[beckwith]

ONLY 2%! THATS ONLY 2 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR... or you know... several billion tons of a substance which is of a similar weight to the air we are breathing now. Is it impossible that 2% percent might be a rather significant number when we are talking about our climate? As for the largest producer I bet your going to tell me and it won't matter because you seem to be overlooking the teeter-toter nature of our atmosphere.

[adam32]

ONLY 2%! THATS ONLY 2 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR... or you know... several billion tons of a substance which is of a similar weight to the air we are breathing now. Is it impossible that 2% percent might be a rather significant number when we are talking about our climate? As for the largest producer I bet your going to tell me and it won't matter because you seem to be overlooking the teeter-toter nature of our atmosphere.

 

2% is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. And water vapor (aka oceans, lakes, etc...) account for about 75% of CO2 output, again, something we little humans have no control over.

[beckwith]

2% is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. ...

 

The scientific community disagrees with you.

[captkirkyota]

The scientific community disagrees with you.

 

Yeah, but who cares really? Scientific consensus is not of much value, since science is not based on consensus, it is based on facts, and the facts do not bare out what the scientific community you site , which is a consensus, states.

The facts are that the earths temp has not gone up even one whole degree in the last 10 years that the big scam of global warming crowd has been shouting and jumping up and down about.

Besides, as I've sited, scientists have long said that they believe that the ideal temps of the earth were that of 100 years ago, when it was, you guessed it, one whole degree warmer!

 

Mt. Pinatubo's (sp?) eruption lowered the climate quit a bit for quite some time, point? THE EARTH SELF REGULATES. PERIOD! ( not yelling, just making a point )

 

Global warming is a political hoax designed to restrict freedoms and enrich the arrogant left leaning elitists, who are nothing more than socialist and or communists displaced from the fall of much of communism, and have found a home in the environmental movement. Hence Al Gore, Barbara Striesand and a long list of other socialist lefties all telling us we need to restrict ourselves and conserve and deny ourselves some of the things we all do, while they actually use MORE of what they are telling us to give up

 

There is some good info to be found here, sign or do not sign the petition, that is not the point of the link, read the info on the site.

http://www.greenwatchamerica.com/

[adam32]

The scientific community disagrees with you.

 

No they don't. Gores "scientists" do, but why is that? Oh yeah, because he's making MILLIONS on his carbon credit scam...

[adam32]

Yeah, but who cares really? Scientific consensus is not of much value, since science is not based on consensus, it is based on facts, and the facts do not bare out what the scientific community you site , which is a consensus, states.

The facts are that the earths temp has not gone up even one whole degree in the last 10 years that the big scam of global warming crowd has been shouting and jumping up and down about.

Besides, as I've sited, scientists have long said that they believe that the ideal temps of the earth were that of 100 years ago, when it was, you guessed it, one whole degree warmer!

 

Mt. Pinatubo's (sp?) eruption lowered the climate quit a bit for quite some time, point? THE EARTH SELF REGULATES. PERIOD! ( not yelling, just making a point )

 

Global warming is a political hoax designed to restrict freedoms and enrich the arrogant left leaning elitists, who are nothing more than socialist and or communists displaced from the fall of much of communism, and have found a home in the environmental movement. Hence Al Gore, Barbara Striesand and a long list of other socialist lefties all telling us we need to restrict ourselves and conserve and deny ourselves some of the things we all do, while they actually use MORE of what they are telling us to give up

 

There is some good info to be found here, sign or do not sign the petition, that is not the point of the link, read the info on the site.

http://www.greenwatchamerica.com/

 

 

Thanks for the link, I signed it. That is one of McCains biggest drawbacks, if he changes his mind he might actually be worth voting for.