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Ok, here is a question or a few.... How come endorsements seem to be a guarded treasure by CFI's who "put a lot of work into writing them" and don't really want to share them. I have spoken to many CFI's about the proper way to write an endorsement and every one was different. They all seem to have something more added to them. I have looked at the AC and that is also kinda vague if memory serves me right.

 

The examiner I spoke to said all he wants is what the book says needs endorsed. Now here is my true question.

 

Can someone give me an example of a correct endorsement for Rotorcraft-Helicopter Practical Test and also one for a Commercial Practical Test. That way I can try to follow along in the FAR and see if I can piece together what actually needs to be in there.

 

Also, does anyone have available a list of R-22 specific required endorcements for Student Pilot on up?

 

Thanks...

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FAA Advisory Circular 61-65E has most of the indorsements you'll need.

 

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance...LE/AC61-65E.pdf

 

Ditto that.

 

Also, you can add some of your own wording into a few of the endorsements as appropriate to CYA. For example, you might add, "IAW Instrument Rating PTS" to an IPC endorsement. For a flight review, you might put at the very beginning, "At this time..." and also put in the make and model of aircraft as well as the tail number in the endorsement.

 

~Jeff

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Here are the ones I wrote for the commercial (initial) exam. I had a few more for the add-ons and retests. I wrote these 6-7 years ago, so some of the references may have changed.

 

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Aeronautical Knowledge Test

§§ 61.35(a)(1), 61.123©, 61.125

 

I certify that I have reviewed the home study curriculum of Mr/Ms ___________________. I have determined he/she is prepared for the Commercial Pilot Rotorcraft/Helicopter (CRH) knowledge test.

 

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Flight Proficiency/Practical Test

§§ 61.123(e), 61.127(B)(3), 61.129©

 

I certify that Mr/Ms __________________ has received the required training of §§ 61.107(B)(3) and 61.109©. I have determined he/she is prepared for the Commercial Pilot Rotorcraft/Helicopter practical test and is competent to perform each pilot operation safely as a Commercial Pilot.

 

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Practical Test - 60 Days

§§ 61.39 (a)(6), 61.129©(2)(iv)

 

I have given Mr/Ms. ___________________ the flight instruction in preparation for the Commercial Pilot Rotorcraft/Helicopter practical test within the preceding 60 days, and find him/her competent to pass the test and to have satisfactory knowledge of the subject areas in which the applicant was shown to be deficient by his/her airman knowledge test.

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Look in the back of your logbook and fill in the blanks.

 

With the logbooks I've seen..........

 

That works for fixed wing, but not for helicopters. The wording may be the same, but the regs cited are different. Sign one of those and you're signing off your student for a fixed wing ride.

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With the logbooks I've seen..........

 

That works for fixed wing, but not for helicopters. The wording may be the same, but the regs cited are different. Sign one of those and you're signing off your student for a fixed wing ride.

 

Most seem pretty vague. Part ## only with no specific subparts followed by a fill in the blank line for make/model or name of required test, etc. The only one I have found to look for specifically are the solos. I know that not all logbooks are the same (I am just currently looking at mine for examples) but I think they're safe examples. If anything, change the (d) to an (e) etc. etc. etc.

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Here is an interesting thought...

 

Would be it legal to write down, "The student is prepared for their private checkride, all required training has been completed per FAR 61. Signed CFI XXX..."

 

and call it a day?

 

If so, why? Or why not?

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Here is an interesting thought...

 

Would be it legal to write down, "The student is prepared for their private checkride, all required training has been completed per FAR 61. Signed CFI XXX..."

 

and call it a day?

 

If so, why? Or why not?

 

I don't see why not though I guess it really just depends on if the DPE will accept it. The only argument I can think is part 61 could be many ratings. Even though you specified Private Checkride 61 also all the different categories, classes. Maybe specifically Private Pilot Rotorcraft Helicopter.

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Here is an interesting thought...

 

Would be it legal to write down, "The student is prepared for their private checkride, all required training has been completed per FAR 61. Signed CFI XXX..."

 

and call it a day?

 

If so, why? Or why not?

 

Depends on the DPE. It looks legal.......but what if that student was training in another cat/class of aircraft and had the minimums to take the ride? They could use that endorsement to take a ride in a different cat/class. I know that's reaching, but I would cite the specifics to CYA.

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The AC has good guidance. However, the FSDO "owning" the particular DPE and the DPE may have additional guidance. Best to use the AC and work closely with the DPE/FSDO in question. It would be nice if the agency, and its appointed representatives (DPEs), responsible for standardization was, were, standardized; but it is difficult for such a large organization. My log book has questionable endorsements.

Remember the communication excercise where you passed a message around a circle of people? Everyone heard it different and/or added their own tidbits. Same happens to two different people reading the same passage in the CFR/FARs.

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I love endorsements, hopefully one day i can give out more!

 

I found that taking the AC 61-65 Echo and modifying the references so that it matches the HELO stuff in the FAR worked very well. Also, I agree with the comments about the DPE preferences. The DPE I send most of my students to has things he looks for specifically. Things like the 3 hours 60 days prior... knowlege test deficiency reference... etc.

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I agree with everyone. The current AC has the basic outline on what is needed per endorsement. I would just look up all FAR's as per rating/test you are giving and make sure your endorsement covers everything. I will attatch all of my endorsements that I have written up. I have not had any issues with DPE's yet. Hope they help answer your questions. Also, if anyone has questions regarding my endorsements let me know.

CFII_Practical_Exam.doc

Commercial_Practical_Exam.doc

Cross_Country_Initial.doc

Cross_Country_Route.doc

FAA_Commercial_Written_Exam.doc

FAA_Instrument_Written_Exam.doc

FAA_Private_Written_Test.doc

Flight_Review.doc

Fundamentals_of_Instructing_Written_Exam.doc

Instrument_Practical_Exam.doc

PIC_R_22.doc

PIC_R_44.doc

Private_Practical_Exam.doc

SFAR_73_Awareness_training.doc

SFAR_73_Experience.doc

solo_endorsement.doc

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