RagMan Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Anyone know if that helicopter out of Lebanon, TN that went down Sunday night was from Noble Aviation? I read the news reports and they are saying the pilot was doing a night flight as part of a certification rating. Anyone have any updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmmarine Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Pilot was working on night solo requirements for a Commercial Rotorcraft Additional Rating with Noble Aviation. They are still looking for the aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Are you living in nashville now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 still nothing yet ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmmarine Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Not a good sign for current students..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Charter-Business-and-H...A1%7C240%3A1318 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Not a good sign for current students..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Charter-Business-and-H...A1%7C240%3A1318 Everything you need except of course, a helicopter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootcamp Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Were the pilot and/or helicopter ever found? I can't find anything on Google News since Nov. 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yes they both were recovered.. Services sunday 11/23 .. which happened to be his birthday.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Yes they both were recovered.. Services sunday 11/23 .. which happened to be his birthday.. Very sad to hear. Any word on cause yet ? Goldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmmarine Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Early reports from inside sources make it sound like it was most likely pilot error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 It always is found to be pilot error. No word yet just speculation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmmarine Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Chaz you are correct that it is usually put down to pilot error, but there is a reason for that. The engine RPM read 100% at the moment of impact. The pilots seatbelt was fastened when they recovered the aircraft. The aircraft struck the water right side down in a nose low attitude. He was flying at night over an area without adequate ground lighting. The engine was running and, barring a flight control failure, pilot error is the most likely scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Chaz you are correct that it is usually put down to pilot error, but there is a reason for that. The engine RPM read 100% at the moment of impact. The pilots seatbelt was fastened when they recovered the aircraft. The aircraft struck the water right side down in a nose low attitude. He was flying at night over an area without adequate ground lighting. The engine was running and, barring a flight control failure, pilot error is the most likely scenario. Sorry was in a bit of a mood .... Yea i seen 300 being pulled out and the engine started when tested .. Bob lived 3 miles from were they found him . He and his family have lived in that area for most of there lives. He had did the exact same route two days prior to the crash . There are more lighting threw there than ssome i have been over .. lol .. Point is there is more to the story.. you forgot his speed was over 118 knots ... and his altitude was 1200 in a abstructed area .. He was a great guy and a freind . I dont agree with flying low and fast but . With the ducks and cranes in the area we never know what happened did he try to avoid a crane and get into a low g pushover?? hit something or just get vertigo and crash.. after being at there day in and day out searching for him walking the woods and searching the water in the cold . Wondering and discussing these very things with his family and friends .. sorry to ramble just a very bad time i guess. I have left lebanon now . owner was unable to continue with school after this tragic loss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nose low, to the right would be consistent with a low g pushover. The faster you fly a R22, the faster that low g condition can occur. I assume that speed was attained due to the attitude of the ship (nose down) and not that he was flying level at that speed ? Regardless of the cause, it's a tragedy. Goldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nose low, to the right would be consistent with a low g pushover. The faster you fly a R22, the faster that low g condition can occur. I assume that speed was attained due to the attitude of the ship (nose down) and not that he was flying level at that speed ? Regardless of the cause, it's a tragedy. Goldywell The ship was a r44 raven1 .. Radar track showed normal 1200' msl 100knots then showed rapid acceleration and altitude loss with right turn... Till radar was lost.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 ahh, bad assumption on my part on the 22. 100 knots in the 44 is a real sweet spot, and due to the added weight and stability of the 44, you don't hear about many low g accidents in them...they still happen, just not that often. Hopefully the investigation will add some insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 well this crash had lots of fall out .. it has closed and left me fianacialy bust. i will be lucky to get my private out of all this... i had to send my wife and kids home to rebuild our life. and i am working with another student from noble to try and atleast finish our ppl . I am trying to sell what i can so i can get my com and inst so maybe i can make it in the world of aviation . I have made a few friends in and can't even think about doing anything else other than fly helicopters. there needs to be emergency procedures for schools folding... i have learned never ever pay large blocks for training always pay as you go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChprPlt Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 i have learned never ever pay large blocks for training always pay as you go.... yeah thats the same lesson about 2500 people learned earlier this year. My heart goes out to the pilot and his family. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500E Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Real sad for family & friends of pilot. Am confused by Chaz saying "seen the 300 being pulled out" then saying Raven1?. PEOPLE DON'T PAY LARGE SUMS OF MONEY UP FRONT!!!!I do know a person who deposited his full training budget in a bank account earning interest then agreed with the school to have a check book that had to have 2 signatures to release money with a written agreement that if the school closed went bankrupt or could not schedule flights within an agreed time, the result would be that the depositor could withdraw all remaining money.Fiddly but worked OK the school was real good and he even finished with money left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmmarine Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Chaz said "seeing 300 being pulled out" He was referring to the tail number N300FX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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