Logging of INST training time in an FTD

[Dream Chaser]

How would you log your time on this?? I want to get it right so I don't have to go back at a later date and re add my log books!! That would be a PAIN!

 

 

Flight in an approved FTD (Flight Training Device)

 

Would you log it:

 

A: FTD Time, and total time

 

Or

 

B: Simulated Instrument, FTD time, Dual Recieved

 

Or

 

C: Simulated Instrument, FTD time, Dual Recieved, and Total time.

 

I have read thru the FAR's and really can't make heads or tails of it. Also, getting conflicting reports from the CFII's. Just looking to clarify what goes where.

 

Thanks in advance for the replies!!

[rotormandan]

Simulated inst, FTD, and dual. Log the approachs also.

[helijay]

61.51 (g) states that you can log instrument flight time in a simulator or flight training device to get current as long as there is a CFII present while you are flying the approaches. You have to log the #, type, and location of the approaches. In your log book you would log your time under ground trainer and dual. IF you are going for your instrument rating you can only count 20 hours towards your total time.

[Tenacious T]

61.51 (g) states that you can log instrument flight time in a simulator or flight training device to get current as long as there is a CFII present while you are flying the approaches. You have to log the #, type, and location of the approaches. In your log book you would log your time under ground trainer and dual. IF you are going for your instrument rating you can only count 20 hours towards your total time.

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20 hrs. towards total time or towards the 40 hr. instrument time requirement?

 

I logged as in choice B during my training.

[helijay]

you can count 20 hours towards the 40 needed for the instrument rating.

[Dream Chaser]

Thanks for the replies. I personally agree with B above.

Reasons:

FTD - obvious

Dual - Instructor is with you, teaching you hopefully

Sim INST - you are doing approaches and holding and tracking, in simulated IMC

 

Now I can understand why some would log total time, as you can use the FTD for currency.

 

And I guess logging just FTD is the easy way .......pretty much you flew in a sim for so many hours, with an instructor, and did approaches, ect. Might be hard to keep accurate totals in your log book that way....but I haven't read anywhere that its not okay to do that.

 

We legally only have to log training hours......doesn't really say HOW to log them.

 

 

Its kinda crazy that there seems to be so much grey area on the logging of training.

 

61.51 (g) states that you can log instrument flight time in a simulator or flight training device to get current as long as there is a CFII present while you are flying the approaches. You have to log the #, type, and location of the approaches. In your log book you would log your time under ground trainer and dual. IF you are going for your instrument rating you can only count 20 hours towards your total time.

 

61.51© logging of pilot time........pilot time used for ratings or currency.

 

Totally agree on......FTD and Dual recieved. However, its under the hood + in the soup......I think it would be simulated time also. This is a grey area in my opinion.

 

61.51(h) basically says that anyone training in a aircraft or FTD/SIM, can log it as training time?? Isn't that gonna be counted towards total time for certificate ratings?

 

Maybe I'm reading to much into this stuff!! Anyone have FAR/AIM for dummies?? LOL

 

 

20 hrs. towards total time or towards the 40 hr. instrument time requirement?

 

I've heard the 20 hour thing too. FAR 61.65(e) states the same thing if its not under part 142. However, Appendex C to 141, 4(3) states that if its an FTD, only 40% of total required hours. A SIM may be used up to 50% of required hours 4(2). Then 4(4) talks about combining the two and confuses me.

 

 

So:

FTD - Think we all agree on

Dual - Agree on

Simulated - still up in the air.......

Total time - .....debateable..... I personally wouldn't put it in my total time, as I've heard that some companies want your total time Without any Simulated time included in that. If they want a "total" total.....just add the total time and FTD time.

 

Looking forward to responses. Would be nice to get some solid answers, or at least have a bunch of people and see what the "majority" does.

[rotormandan]

Log sim. inst. if using it for a inst. rating or inst. currency otherwise it's just vfr sim. I wouldn't count it as total time I'd keep total time as aircraft time. On the 8710 form for ratings there's 2 boxes for simulator. Total simulator and instrument simulator. The time CREDITs towards you required total hours but does not = your total hours. You're also allowed to use 7.5 sim towards your private and I think another 20 or 25 towards you commercial. (not to positive on the comm.)