Yuki Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 A hiker who wondered into a minefield, got injured, being hoisted and falls down to his death... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=423_1236854793 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfcorey Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 that is absolutely horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamer Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 ok well i hate to be the logical one here so, yes its horrible and unfortunate, how do you get the idea to go HIKING in a MINEFIELD??? i say he sealed his fate by choosing to do that in the first place. luckily he lived through the mine explosion. the chopper fall sucks, yes, but had he have never CHOSEN to go picnicing in the field this woulda never happened in the first place... and that's my rant on job security for public safety proffesionals... sad story though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotormandan Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Any chance that he didn't know it was a mine field until his foot got blown off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 The articles I read stated he was on a picnic. GIVE ME A BREAK!! From what I understand, there are mines everywhere over there and they utilize the explosives in them either for their own wartime purpose or to sell to the highest bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogue Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Don't know about this one in particular,but most minefields are not posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelFire_91 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I'm courious to know what kind of hoist setup that was. I don't have any experience with hoisting people, but I would think they could have set that up a little better, didn't look like the guy was secured very well, just my observation. You might also want to put a disclaimer somewhere that it's not for the faint at heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin DBC Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 A couple of issues here. First, I doubt they were intentionally picnicing in a minefield. Whoever wrote that was probably being a smart a$$ It did look like a poorly set up operation. It looked like they had 2 rescuers and the victim on that hoist. I don't know what kind of hoist they were using, but in our H-60's, the maximum weight you can put on them is 600 lbs. I know the line didn't snap, but it could have. It looks like they used a rescue strap to extract the guy. If you don't secure it properly, the victim can lift up his arms and fall right through the strap. I'm going to pass this video off to my FI so he can use it as an example of what not to do on a hoist op. J- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1128 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 While I feel for the guy, that's what you get when you wander around old battlefields without knowing what you are doing. Heck they're still finding land mines from WW1 in France and they are still live and more dangerous then they were originally. Generally minefields are not marked and more often than not are not properly mapped out. These are just a couple of the reasons they are so deadly. And yes I have worked in countries that still have active minefields. Angola, Sudan and Afghanistan. You watch where you go and where you put your feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin DBC Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 And yes I have worked in countries that still have active minefields. Angola, Sudan and Afghanistan. You watch where you go and where you put your feet. The worst feeling in the world is watching some old Afghan man yelling at you and making obscure hand and arms signals showing that you are on the wrong side of the painted rocks (i.e. in the mine field). No bueno. J- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuki Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 whether they (they were three) were looking for a place to BBQ, or, dig out explosives for a future IED it does not matter. The second he stepped on the mine it became a rescue operation. Obviously, a failure of the rescue team (called unit 669). As for minefields in Israel-they are all marked clearly and fenced against hikers and cattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 It did look like a poorly set up operation. It looked like they had 2 rescuers and the victim on that hoist. I don't know what kind of hoist they were using, but in our H-60's, the maximum weight you can put on them is 600 lbs. I know the line didn't snap, but it could have. It looks like they used a rescue strap to extract the guy. If you don't secure it properly, the victim can lift up his arms and fall right through the strap. I agree. Looks like his arms were in a V pattern and then he probably reached to grab something...a skid...which raised his arm even more, and out he slipped. Good reason to NEVER use a strap, that would have never happened in a harness....or better yet, a stokes where you are strapped in. I couldnt believe 3 men on the hoist either, dont know of one that is rated for 1000 pounds, which would be a minimum for 3 guys and gear. Anyway, gruesome as it is, it does show the importance of having and using the right equipment. Goldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin DBC Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I agree. Looks like his arms were in a V pattern and then he probably reached to grab something...a skid...which raised his arm even more, and out he slipped. Good reason to NEVER use a strap, that would have never happened in a harness....or better yet, a stokes where you are strapped in. I couldnt believe 3 men on the hoist either, dont know of one that is rated for 1000 pounds, which would be a minimum for 3 guys and gear. Anyway, gruesome as it is, it does show the importance of having and using the right equipment. Goldy Personally I probably would have used the rescue strap for this one. The stokes litter would be no good because of the larger surface area... Not what you want in a mine field. You COULD use a harness, but you have to keep in mind that you're going to have an increased time on the ground. I'm not too familiar with Israel, but I would imagine that areas with minefields aren't the safest places for a government helicopter to hang out in an OGE hover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonf Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I was just there last summer and saw the marked minefields. Crazy that happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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