HeliNinja Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 http://www.kptv.com/news/20215925/detail.html The student and instructor walked away. Temps have been ridiculously high (108 F) in the Portland area and word is that the crash occurred as a result of an auto gone bad. Troutdale is Hillsboro's other campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovergirl Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Crap. Glad to hear everyone walked away, hope the bumps and bruises aren't too bad. The DA out there has to be pretty high right now, be careful guys! hvg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunyota Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Did you hear that there was actually 2 "hard landings" in troutdale this week? One on monday and the other on Wednesday. Both incidents the occupants walked away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Granted I don't know all the facts of the flight or exact conditions at the time (and I fly 300s), but I'm wondering why someone would be out practicing autos in an R-22 with a ~3000 ft DA with little or no wind (I assume, its been pretty calm here so far). I know we stopped flying when the conditions got really bad this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodoz Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Granted I don't know all the facts of the flight or exact conditions at the time (and I fly 300s), but I'm wondering why someone would be out practicing autos in an R-22 with a ~3000 ft DA with little or no wind (I assume, its been pretty calm here so far). I know we stopped flying when the conditions got really bad this week. Where I went--where 5000' DAs aren't unusual--I wondered why anybody would be out practicing autos when the DA got up to 6500', but for some schools, this is the norm. One of the weaknesses of the current flight training scheme is that instructors can only teach what they've personally experienced. And when your experience is limited... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Hughes Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I'm wondering why someone would be out practicing autos in an R-22 with a ~3000 ft DA with little or no wind (I assume, its been pretty calm here so far). We used to do it all the time in Fresno, CA. Typical summer day there it would be variable @ 3 and +35C. There are many places where people practice autos in R22s with way more density altitude than that. You just have a little more management to do during operations in those conditions. Glad to see everyone okay though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helicopter365 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Did you hear that there was actually 2 "hard landings" in troutdale this week? One on monday and the other on Wednesday. Both incidents the occupants walked awayKnow that tail #'s? I had not heard about the one Monday. Unfortunate to see that the big one appears to be 76W. I had many hours in that one and the tail number was easy to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I figured it was something like that, just was wondering. I could see both the advantages and disadvantages of training in conditions that this area doesn't normally have. Just glad this didn't add to the injury count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary DeWitt Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Know that tail #'s? I had not heard about the one Monday. Unfortunate to see that the big one appears to be 76W. I had many hours in that one and the tail number was easy to say. Monday was 40S - hover auto. Wednesday was 76W - 180 auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.R.O. Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) Granted I don't know all the facts of the flight or exact conditions at the time (and I fly 300s), but I'm wondering why someone would be out practicing autos in an R-22 with a ~3000 ft DA with little or no wind (I assume, its been pretty calm here so far). I know we stopped flying when the conditions got really bad this week. I won't speculate as to what happened with the accident(s), but what I do know was that the 180 Auto accident occurred before the heat of the day had fully developed, and there was, from what I have heard, actually fairly gusty wind out at TTD (which is to say, normal). As for the hover auto, I think we all know how fast those can go wrong. I am just glad that nobody was hurt. Metal can be fixed or replaced, life, not so much. Edited August 3, 2009 by C.R.O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 We do auto's up here regularly above 6000 ft DA , and sometimes more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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