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I have a theoretical for you. Jim the newly minted commercial pilot decides he is going to open up a aerial photography business. Jim covers the cost of the aircraft, his friend takes the photos, and they split the profits. Are 100 hour inspections required for the aircraft?

 

My opinion is they are not required. 91.409b states they are required when an aircraft is carrying someone for hire, or for flight instruction in which the instructor provides the aircraft. In this case no one has paid to fly in the aircraft, and the pilot is paying for the expenses.

 

What do you think?

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I have a theoretical for you. Jim the newly minted commercial pilot decides he is going to open up a aerial photography business. Jim covers the cost of the aircraft, his friend takes the photos, and they split the profits. Are 100 hour inspections required for the aircraft?

 

My opinion is they are not required. 91.409b states they are required when an aircraft is carrying someone for hire, or for flight instruction in which the instructor provides the aircraft. In this case no one has paid to fly in the aircraft, and the pilot is paying for the expenses.

 

What do you think?

 

Does Jim need a standby pilot? I'll go!

 

Rotorrodent

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I'l try and do my best to answer this, although others might do a better job.

 

It's very difficult to figure out exactly what is what in this case. An argument can be made that you are flying under your private license, where you are taking your friend up while he takes photos. He is not paying for flight time, etc....

 

It can also be argued that it is commercial, in that you are making money from doing these flights.

 

Personally, I would just log it under 91. Sure, it sucks paying for the 100 hour, but to me, it is worth every penny for that extra little bit of security.

 

If you really are curious, call a FSDO. it doesn't even have to be your local one if you like anonymity and ask. They would be more than happy to let you know what the FAA thinks.

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I have a feeling, anyone auditing your logbook would consider it "for hire", so better to play it safe, and besides, some helicopters require the 100hr whether its for Private or Commercial use, i.e. Robinsons. :huh:

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100hr is required. "Jim" opened a aerial photo business. Anybody he takes with him is going to be the person mentioned in 91.409(B).

Of course you could do photo flights as a private pilot with your buddy.... just don't expect to get any compensation. That would be more grey.

 

How would anyone "audit" your logbook to know it was "for hire"?

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I have never heard where Robinsons require a 100 hour inspection if they are used for personal pleasure flying. Could you give a source?

 

I don't have my FAR/AIM next to me, so I can't quote the regs, but it is my understanding that a private owner does not need 100 hour inspections.

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It is not a FAA requirement..... robinson service manual requirement... I would always recommend 100 hr. service/inspections even if private operation.

 

Good to know. I have never had my grubbies on a Service Manual but apparently i need to read my POH better. 8-2.

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And your insurance company most likely requires that you operate and maintain the aircraft I/A/W the manufacturer's POH/RFM, maintenance manual, and comply with any and all ADs, SBs, etc.

 

So, if you skip a 100hr and you bang it up after an engine or other failure, it's going to be much harder getting money out of the insurance company or manufacturer since you did not follow their recommendations (even though you are not legally required to.)

 

BTW, the scenario is a commercial operation. Even if the guy paid less than half, the feds will say you were compensated by paying half the expense, but logging all the time (time building 50% off.) If he's your buddy, it would be harder for them to prove that. Best thing to do, do this as a favor to him, then he owes you a couple hundred dollar favor next time. Keep money out of the conversations and it's not a commercial flight.

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We're the FAA; we're here to help! If you ask a FSDO, use yours (where you will fly).

They are the admiinistrator of that region, and they decide what they will allow, grey or not

to a layperson. Ask anyone without 135 in Arizona... Be safe: don't interpret, just ask the man.

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