Helo Ride Pimp Daddy

[Mikemv]

We have to do both 100 hours and an annual inspection. How does a 100 hour inspection count as an annual if I still have to do one every year? If I hit 100 hours 10 days before the aircraft is due for it's annual, but I need to fly the aircraft for those 10 days, then I would still need to do a 100 hour if I wanted to fly.

 

You could do the annual 10 days early as they do not have to be run to the exact end of the month and you would not lose a month as it would be performed in the same calendar month. There is nothing wrong with performing an annual at any time.

[Spike]

I would sure like to pretend that I am perfect and do the right thing to the very letter of the law every single day all day long, but I don't. When it comes to aviation I walk the line to the best of my ability. I know and understand the laws. I do not condone any action that violates them. All I am saying Mike, is that I think sometimes there are circumstance under which that law does not apply. If someone wants to give me money, and I happened to take them for a flight that day, and the amount they give me covers more than 50% of that flight, does the FAA have the ability or the right to say in black and white that the money accepted by me was for the purpose of paying for the flight? What if that transaction happens the following day? Following week? My point is, handle your private transactions privately. Keep the Feds out of your business.

 

What you are saying is contradictory. That is, from past and present statements you’ve made here on VR, it would appear you’ll willing uphold the rules as long as you agree with them…. Not a good beginning.....

 

Cops deal with “letter of the law” and “spirit of the law” on a daily basis. However, these conundrums rarely jeopardized their careers. IMO, pro pilots should never push the boundaries unless you’re willing to lose your livelihood and, if you’re willing to do that, why spend the enormous amount of time and money to attempt to succeed? That’s just dumb….

 

Not that I like giving any personal information, but when I was a private, I never took anyone up just so there would be zero chances or "accusations" for any “chip on his shoulder” Fed to make an argument. While this may seem tuff for some to grasp, flying by the letter is a guarantee of a better future. The opposite is just that, opposite…..

 

This business has little tolerance for those who push, risk, manipulate or flat out ignore the obvious, especially when discussion the Reg’s. . Don’t agree, good! More open seats for those who do….

 

If the Grandpa slides a wad of Benjamin’s in your pocket after the joyride which only cost a single Benji, you should simply tell him, "I can’t do that Grandpa. Howabout we go get a bite to eat and I’ll explain it to you and, lunch is on me…………"

 

Flying, especially for a living, is a federal privilege which is not taken lightly, by anyone, regardless of how personal you think it should be…. Get it?

Edited August 18, 2012 by Spike

[aeroscout]

I would only willingly enforce rules on myself. I let other's decide for themselves. If I can, by giving unsolicited advice, save someone from an unpleasant outcome, by not minding my own business, I will give it a shot. Then I can sleep well with my own conscience jiminy cricket.

[Helipilot PTK]

If the Grandpa slides a wad of Benjamin’s in your pocket after the joyride which only cost a single Benji, you should simply tell him, "I can’t do that Grandpa. Howabout we go get a bite to eat and I’ll explain it to you and, lunch is on me…………"

 

Like I said before I will never intentionally break the FAR's even if I don't agree with them. However, my grandparents give me money randomly all the time. I drive them somewhere, visit them, they get bored etc. I have tried to give money back to them many many times, they always insist. If I were to take them for a ride and not accept their money,they would get offended and they would still give it to me somehow. A extra special early/late christmas/birthday present etc. It's not that I want to break FAR's, It's that I know they would get money to me somehow, grandparents are sneaky.

[adam32]

 

That is, YOU as a private pilot want to build time and experience and what a better way to do it then have *others* pay for it. IF *others* pay for it, you are being compensated with additional fight time and experience. Making money has little to do with it. It's about compensation...

 

Contrary to popular belief, the Fed's aren't dumb.

 

You bring up an interesting point...what if the private pilot isn't "building time", he's not going for a com rating, he's just going to be a private and putt around town with friends every once in a while. Is he still being "compensated"?

 

Not every pilot out there is trying to make a career out of it, so they couldn't care less how many hours they are building...

 

And asked Bossman about how dumb the feds are

[nightsta1ker]

You could do the annual 10 days early as they do not have to be run to the exact end of the month and you would not lose a month as it would be performed in the same calendar month. There is nothing wrong with performing an annual at any time.

 

Yes, that's true. But there might be reasons you don't want the aircraft to go down early. Annuals can be a pain considering that IA's are usually pretty expensive and not always available. I have seen annuals take as long as 6 months because of IA non-availability. One might need that 10 days of revenue before the annual starts. This is all strictly hypothetical.

[nightsta1ker]

What you are saying is contradictory. That is, from past and present statements you’ve made here on VR, it would appear you’ll willing uphold the rules as long as you agree with them…. Not a good beginning.....

 

Cops deal with “letter of the law” and “spirit of the law” on a daily basis. However, these conundrums rarely jeopardized their careers. IMO, pro pilots should never push the boundaries unless you’re willing to lose your livelihood and, if you’re willing to do that, why spend the enormous amount of time and money to attempt to succeed? That’s just dumb….

 

Not that I like giving any personal information, but when I was a private, I never took anyone up just so there would be zero chances or "accusations" for any “chip on his shoulder” Fed to make an argument. While this may seem tuff for some to grasp, flying by the letter is a guarantee of a better future. The opposite is just that, opposite…..

 

This business has little tolerance for those who push, risk, manipulate or flat out ignore the obvious, especially when discussion the Reg’s. . Don’t agree, good! More open seats for those who do….

 

If the Grandpa slides a wad of Benjamin’s in your pocket after the joyride which only cost a single Benji, you should simply tell him, "I can’t do that Grandpa. Howabout we go get a bite to eat and I’ll explain it to you and, lunch is on me…………"

 

Flying, especially for a living, is a federal privilege which is not taken lightly, by anyone, regardless of how personal you think it should be…. Get it?

 

I get it, Spike. Always. I just don't think I know a single person who abides by the letter of every law out there every minute of every day. If we all had a camera on us every second we would all lead very different lives. Saying you do, and actually doing it are not the same. I realize that stating my opinions on here may jeopardize some of your opinions of me but I have never been one to beat around the bush or blow smoke. I speak my mind, even if my opinion is contrary to the law. For the record, I do not condone making a habit of accepting more than half for joyrides. However, I think sometimes there are other circumstances involved, and my opinion is that I don't think it's the Feds job to muck around in people's private affairs.

 

I really dislike those that make life black and white. Life is not black and white. I do realize that the system is black and white, and that you have to try and decide which shades of grey go on the white side or the black side sometimes. I do this to the best of my ability. That's all I can claim.

 

Mike and Spike, you both seem to be inferring that by not always following the very letter of the law that I am jeopardizing my career. Would you rather hire someone that admits they are not perfect but maybe has a good sense of right and wrong anyway, or someone that adamantly claims they always do the right thing when no one is looking? As I said at the beginning of the post. I have NEVER known anyone who ALWAYS does the right thing, ALL the time. And I don't trust those that say they do.

[eagle5]

Exsqueezeme? If anyone isn't getting it, its you....

 

The Feds care because they know; if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. That is, YOU as a private pilot want to build time and experience and what a better way to do it then have *others* pay for it. IF *others* pay for it, you are being compensated with additional fight time and experience. Making money has little to do with it. It's about compensation...

 

Contrary to popular belief, the Fed's aren't dumb.

 

Not everyone wants to fly for a living!

 

Private Pilots don't care about building time or experience, they aren't trying to make money flying, they aren't interested in furthering their training (whether it be for free, or not), and they don't care about compensation! They just fly for fun!

 

The feds are out of touch!

[Spike]

 

 

I get it, Spike. Always. I just don't think I know a single person who abides by the letter of every law out there every minute of every day. If we all had a camera on us every second we would all lead very different lives. Saying you do, and actually doing it are not the same. I realize that stating my opinions on here may jeopardize some of your opinions of me but I have never been one to beat around the bush or blow smoke. I speak my mind, even if my opinion is contrary to the law. For the record, I do not condone making a habit of accepting more than half for joyrides. However, I think sometimes there are other circumstances involved, and my opinion is that I don't think it's the Feds job to muck around in people's private affairs.

 

I really dislike those that make life black and white. Life is not black and white. I do realize that the system is black and white, and that you have to try and decide which shades of grey go on the white side or the black side sometimes. I do this to the best of my ability. That's all I can claim.

 

Mike and Spike, you both seem to be inferring that by not always following the very letter of the law that I am jeopardizing my career. Would you rather hire someone that admits they are not perfect but maybe has a good sense of right and wrong anyway, or someone that adamantly claims they always do the right thing when no one is looking? As I said at the beginning of the post. I have NEVER known anyone who ALWAYS does the right thing, ALL the time. And I don't trust those that say they do.

 

I totally agree with 100% of what you're saying. The issue is, you are actually saying it, out loud, to the world. That is, you are putting in writing (verbalizing) an opinion which some not-so-bright private pilot may read and conjure up his own opinion which is far more liberal than yours and subsequently bust the Regs. Another way to put it, do you teach your students information based on your opinion or what is written?

 

Believe what you want to believe but its probably not a good idea to tell the world about it.

 

[Spike]

Not everyone wants to fly for a living!

 

Private Pilots don't care about building time or experience, they aren't trying to make money flying, they aren't interested in furthering their training (whether it be for free, or not), and they don't care about compensation! They just fly for fun!

 

The feds are out of touch!

 

Yet, another Butterism.....

 

Someone else paying for the fun = compensation.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Spike

[nightsta1ker]

I totally agree with 100% of what you're saying. The issue is, you are actually saying it, out loud, to the world. That is, you are putting in writing (verbalizing) an opinion which some not-so-bright private pilot may read and conjure up his own opinion which is far more liberal than yours and subsequently bust the Regs. Another way to put it, do you teach your students information based on your opinion or what is written?

 

Believe what you want to believe but its probably not a good idea to tell the world about it.

 

I believe I have already stated that I teach by the book and do not condone violating the regulations.

 

However, I do believe there are some distinctions between the black and white and reality, and I do sometimes have outside the classroom side discussions with students about the grey areas. A slippery slope is just that, but sometimes you have to traverse them anyway. All I can say is that I do my utmost best to pass on a safe and rule abiding mentality to my students.

 

As far as what I am actually saying out loud... Well, I have been known to have a case of foot-in-mouth disease. I guess I just hate it when people hide behind a facade. I don't want to be one of those guys. So I say what I think. Sometimes it gets me in trouble, but I find that a lot of people appreciate the honesty. I don't really worry about the Feds because in my experiences with them I have found them to be very reasonable people as long as you are basically doing the right thing and treat them with respect. They are not out to pull licenses. They are out there to keep aviation a safe industry. Also, as I have already said, this is very small potatoes. I have had the displeasure of dealing with some very shady pilots/mechanics since I started flying commercially. I guess I was pretty well sheltered from the underbelly of the helicopter world when I was a student/private pilot. After seeing what a lot of other pilots do on a regular basis, I consider myself one of the more honest/law abiding pilots out there.

 

Whatever anyone else wants to think is up to them.

Edited August 18, 2012 by nightsta1ker

[adam32]

Okay so lets say a private pilot goes out and buys a 206 (since this is where the FAR applies, not about your grandma or friend paying for their own flight with you.) And it costs $60,000 a year to insure plus $350/hr to operate. You fly it 50 hrs a year...can you charge $775/hr since that is half of your operating expenses?

 

Come on people this isn't a very hard topic to understand! Don't go flying for HIRE with your private! Example, don't go rent a heli from a flight school then go cherry drying with it because your buddy was over there with his heli and said they needed more ships!

[Fred0311]

Whatever happened to butters? Haven't heard from him in awhile. Funny his attitude has coined a phrase.

[nightsta1ker]

Okay so lets say a private pilot goes out and buys a 206 (since this is where the FAR applies, not about your grandma or friend paying for their own flight with you.) And it costs $60,000 a year to insure plus $350/hr to operate. You fly it 50 hrs a year...can you charge $775/hr since that is half of your operating expenses?

 

Come on people this isn't a very hard topic to understand! Don't go flying for HIRE with your private! Example, don't go rent a heli from a flight school then go cherry drying with it because your buddy was over there with his heli and said they needed more ships!

 

I think you are mistaking the argument here.

[eagle5]

Whatever happened to butters? Haven't heard from him in awhile. Funny his attitude has coined a phrase.

 

Butterism? I've seen it twice now. I think it just means, people who don't agree with spike!

[Mikemv]

Butterism? I've seen it twice now. I think it just means, people who don't agree with spike!

 

Refers to former poster R22Butters that was negative about most things posted because he got airsick and no one would give him a job. He also ruined almost every thread by jumping in and replying constantly. He never did get the point in many threads and just kept posting and posting and posting negatively.

 

He made a farewell post and said he became a truck driver.

 

Best of luck to him,

 

Mike

[nightsta1ker]

Misery loves company, I guess.

[Spike]

Butterism? I've seen it twice now. I think it just means, people who don't agree with spike!

 

Really?

 

To believe I am offended by a novice pilot who disagrees with me is like being concerned about toilet paper that the manufacture claims to be recycled,……..

 

Understand, I do this for a living……

[aeroscout]

Really?

 

To believe I am offended by a novice pilot who disagrees with me is like being concerned about toilet paper that the manufacture claims to be recycled,……..

 

Understand, I do this for a living……

They might be talking about the unused toilet paper that trails from the back of your pant waist, or is sticking to the heel of your shoe as you walk by thinking you're too cool for school veteran pilot.

Edited August 21, 2012 by aeroscout

[Spike]

They might be talking about the unused toilet paper that trails from the back of your pant waist, or is sticking to the heal of your shoe as you walk by thinking you're too cool for school veteran pilot.

 

Whatever......