Optamix Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 So here is my question. I'm active duty Air Force with a packet in forWOFT. My recruiter said that since I'm not Army I will use the civilianprocess. Ok, fair enough. The last military board results posted had 2Airman on it. This had me wondering if I'm going before the correct board.Also, I've seen inter-service to WOFT say they reported straight to WOOCSwithout going to BCT(though my recruiter said he believed I would have togo). Everyone selected through civilian WOFT will be going to BCT bynecessity because they have never been. So my questions are: 1) Does anyone have any idea about my board situation, is my packet goingbefore the correct board? 2) Was I correct in inter-service doesn't have to go to BCT again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloidaho Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I'm not sure about the board question, but inter-service does not have to go through BCT again. At least they didn't last year. They showed up here at Rucker, went and got uniforms and gear, and hopped on the train. I'm not sure why you would go to the civilian board either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC8488 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I was prior AF and am going to go through BCT if selected. Everyone I have seen that was an inter-service transfer was selected on a civilian board. The enlisted board is only for Regular Army Enlisted personnel. AF has to go through BCT. The prior service that does not have to go through BCT are prior Army and Marines that have been out for less than 3 years. There used to be a Warrior Transition Course that AF, Navy and >3 year guys would go through but that was cancelled a few years back and replaced with BCT. Edit: http://www.armytimes...c-again-032011/ The article above lists the regs if you wish to look them up... Here is the USAREC Message: From: Headquarters USARECTo: All Recruiting Personnel SUBJECT: Prior Service (PS) Officer Candidate School (OCS), Warrant OfficerCandidate School (WOCS/WOFT) Basic Combat Training (BCT) Requirement 1. THIS IS AN IMMEDIATE MESSAGE; deliver to all recruiting personnel. 2. This message is effective for two years from the date of message unlessrescinded or superseded. 3. References: a. AR 601-210, Army Regulation 601-210, Regular Army and Army ReserveEnlistment Program, (with operational changes), dated 18 March 2011. b. ALARACT 085/2011 041623 MAR 11 SUBJECT: Army Directive 2011-02 InitialEntry Training For Prior Service Personnel. 4. Purpose: To disseminate guidance regarding PS personnel who are scheduledto attend OCS, WOCS and WOFT. 5. Effective immediately, OCS, WOCS or WOFT will no longer substitute as BCTfor PS personnel. 6. The following attendance policy applies to personnel accessing into theRegular Army (RA) with PS in the Army, United States Marine Corps (USMC), AirForce (USAF) Special Operations, Navy (USN) Special Operations or Personnel whohave completed an Army or USMC BCT: a. PS personnel with less than three years break in service (BIS) will notbe required to attend Army BCT and can be scheduled for OCS, WOCS or WOFT only. b. PS personnel with more than three years BIS must attend Army BCT priorto attending OCS, WOCS or WOFT. 7. BIS as addressed in AR 350-1, Paragraph 3-25, is further clarified: Military service (RA, Army National Guard (ANG), Army Reserve (AR), USMC,and Special Operations Forces) includes time in the Individual Ready Reserve(IRR) and BIS begins after the Military Service Obligation (MSO) ends. 8. PS personnel accessing into the RA with PS in the USAF, USN or Coast Guard(excluding Special Operations Forces) who have not completed an Army or USMCBCT, and regardless of length of BIS will attend Army BCT prior to arriving atOCS, WOCS or WOFT. 9. PS personnel accessing into the AR will follow the below guidelinesregardless of BIS. a. PS personnel accessing into the AR who have completed Army or USMC BCTare not required to complete Army BCT and can be scheduled for OCS, WOCS or WOFTonly. b. PS personnel accessing into AR with PS in the USAF, USN or Coast Guardand/or who have not completed an Army or USMC BCT will attend BCT prior to OCS,WOCS or WOFT. 10. There are no grandfather periods with the publishing of this message. AllDelayed Status enlistments awaiting training must be renegotiated immediately inorder to comply with the guidance provided in this message. Additionalinformation on RENOs will be provided to the brigades. 11. Point of contact for this message through your chain of command is PolicyBranch at 1-800-688-9203, Option 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optamix Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 How long ago where you in? I saw a Navy transfer on another board that said he went straight to WOCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optamix Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 And any ideas why there were two AF on the last military boards?(it listed their rank, maybe more if they were SSgts because I wouldn't be able to tell.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC8488 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I seperated 6 years ago, but the length of time does not matter. The only listed exceptions are USAF and USN special forces and AF sercutiy forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC8488 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 No, that is odd. I hope for your sake you are on the civilian board for two reasons. The next AD board is not until Jan 13 and the selection rate has typically been much higher for civilian boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloidaho Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I've never met a prior service AF guy who transferred straight over who had to go to BCT. I'm prior service AF, and I know a lot of other guys presently in school that went straight to WOCS without a Warrior Transition or Army BCT or being SF or security forces. It might depend on rank, since all were at least an E5. AF E6 were even eligible to do the short WOCS course with distance learning since they had Airman Leadership School. It very well could have changed in the last year and a half, but I've still never met someone who has gone to BCT for both the Army and the Air Force. Hopefully you guys get bumped past it after selection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC8488 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 That would be awesome! I now know I will be pushing for it at MEPS if I get selected. Thanks for the insight! I'll shut up now. Seems I have some faulty info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW1985 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I was prior AD USAF and did an interservice transfer. I went through the AD board. One day I was USAF, the next day I was USA. I did not go to BCT or WTC. I was one of the last guys that skated through the doors after the MILPER message came out requiring BCT. WOFTApp, the board is for all AD regardless of branch. I believe you went through the civilian process because you had a break in service. I literally got in my car, left WPAFB, and reported to Rucker the next day. Went to 1st WOCC, told them I was here, and was sent to clothing sales to recieve my issue (uniforms). I went to class with guys from all services including USCG that did the same thing. That all being said, I have met AD Air Force guys that got here both ways (civilian and AD board), and don't see an issue either way as long as you have your conditional release in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optamix Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 So does that mean mo BCT for me or did it recently change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC8488 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Thanks, did not know that about the boards. Did the AF people after you go through BCT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW1985 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yep. In fact we had 50-50 in my WOCS class. Some got away from it, others went. Everyone I've talked to since has went. I'm not sure if anyone is still getting through without BCT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optamix Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Oh well, did it once I guess I can do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW1985 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 On a positive note the USAF guys that did go said they kept their rank (E5) and were treated really well. Both guys said that USAF basic was more attention to detail and stringent, which was more in line with WOCS, rather than Army BCT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC8488 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I am actually excited about the possibility of BCT. All of the hands on training appeals to me. The only reason I would want to go straight to WOCS would be to get a jump on flight training and get started on my career. I knew I would keep my rank, my question is do I wear it or just get the pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optamix Posted October 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 The only reason I'm not crazy excited about it is that my 2 year isn't old enough to understand why Daddy is disappearing for 4 months, but I knew that was part of being in the Military so I guess it's just one of those things you just deal with. WoftApp, I'd assume you would wear it. I'll just be an E-4 so I assume I'd be wearing Specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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