pilot#476398 Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 It seems that everyone who uses Robbies requires that their pilots take this course. I'm assuming its an insurance requirement (or at least a discount), but do any of you know/have a recurring requirement,...like every 5 years, or something? ...or is this just a one time thing?
Goldy Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 It seems that everyone who uses Robbies requires that their pilots take this course. I'm assuming its an insurance requirement (or at least a discount), but do any of you know/have a recurring requirement,...like every 5 years, or something? ...or is this just a one time thing? I took it last month because it had been 6 or 7 years....I think it is good to refresh it every 5 years or so, but I was not mandated to do it....However, most operators need or want you to have it somewhere in your background. I've seen it mandated in insurance requirements, lease requirements, in the ferry flight requirements by Robinson and in operator standards.....but never a requirement for refresher. I'm sure there's some out there, just I've never been a part of em.
MileHi480B Posted April 7, 2013 Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) It seems that everyone who uses Robbies requires that their pilots take this course. I'm assuming its an insurance requirement (or at least a discount), but do any of you know/have a recurring requirement,...like every 5 years, or something? ...or is this just a one time thing? It may or may not be a requirement of insurance - I don't know. But I do know Robinson requires it. A while ago I was awaiting delivery of a new Robbie (Raven II). I was informed by Robinson that I could not own it unless I signed their "terms and conditions". Mind you, this was after I had already contracted and paid for it. The "terms and conditions" state that owners will NOT take passengers in the ship until they have completed the safety course. It also says that when I sell it, I will only sell it to potential owners who also agree to the "terms and conditions" in writing and take the course. And that buyer had to assure me that his future buyers would do the same. Really?(BTW ... there were a whole bunch more conditions, but I am addressing the safety course issue here.) Legally I felt I would be foolish to sign this. I would be taking responsibility not only for me but for future buyers! Can you imagine if I sold the ship, and a new owner crashed it and killed someone? I can see attorneys using that document against me. "Why didn't you make him sign it?" Or "Why didn't you follow up to see that he took the course!" Or "Why didn't you make sure the guy he sold it to took the course?" Don't get me wrong ... I think the course is great and will make you a better Robbie driver ... but I do not want to take responsibility for subsequent buyers. Edited April 7, 2013 by MileHi480B
pilot#476398 Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 Yes, I've heard of that one, its the Robbie "cover our asses" doc, created by our lawsuit happy culture!,...just like the ferry flight crap!
ridethisbike Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Mind you, this was after I had already contracted and paid for it. I think that's the part that bothers me most. I understand them requiring the safety course, but to tell you it's a requirement after you'd already shelled out thousands of dollars... that's bad business. Did you end up signing it or getting your money back? If you got your money back, was it a full refund or did they keep some of it?
aeroscout Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Will the factory course suffice for the SFAR signoff for the Robinson ?
zippiesdrainage Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I would imagine that they would count it as the awareness training. I know it can be a substitute for the purpose of renewing your CFI and the SFAR requirement is only the 200 hours with 50 in the appropriate ship so as long as you have those I would assume Tim Tucker would be willing to give it to you. And you can count the course as a flight review so it sounds like they can meet most needs.
pilot#476398 Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Will the factory course suffice for the SFAR signoff for the Robinson ? I don't believe so. You can get a PIC endorsement while there, but you'll still need the 10 hours of dual first (since the course is only 1 hour). According to the application, you need at least 3 hours logged in a Robbie to attend the class. That means you need the awareness training endorsement before attending (since you can't even log 1 hour without it)! Edited April 8, 2013 by pilot#476398
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