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Recently finished WOCS after a near 1 year stint as a medical holdover and I've just begun down the road towards IERW. I certainly don't know everything about the process but if you've just recently been accepted and have any questions I'd be more than happy to answer.

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Just started BOLC yesterday actually. How's Lewis?

 

Your wait depends on several things, as street-to-seat I ended up on hold for about a month. Street-to-seat guys typically are going to fill in classes when there is availability and typically everyone else (especially guard/reserve) will enter with an actual class date that you're pretty much guaranteed, unless you can't make for personal issues.

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Required? Only really at Ft Rucker. At Mother Rucker, they will preach professional courtesy to other Warrants. In the real Army, its a first name basis, with a real level of professionalism.

 

Meaning when that CW4 says, Hey Jim, mind cleaning up the office, it carries the same weight as your Commander saying, Mr Smith, get this office cleaned up.

 

When you first show up to your real unit, I wouldn't worry about the salute, but would start addressing the 3s, 4s, and 5s as Sir/Ma'am. They will most likely poke a little fun, and tell you first names, but better that than your Battalion Standardization Pilot thinking you are too cocky as a rookie.

 

Be prepared to be at the bottom of the barrel. There will be lots of senior enlisted folks who spend less time sweeping/mopping/taking out the trash/stocking the fridge than you. Whatever jobs you get, do them well and you will be just Jim that promising young front seater (assuming you go the right way and pick 64s :D ) instead of the guy who thinks he is entitled as a green junior warrant officer.

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I'm heading off to Basic at Ft. Sill in a couple of weeks, and then to Ft. Rucker for WOCS with a graduation date from there just before Thanksgiving. I've seen a lot of different acronyms being thrown around (BOLC, IERW, SERE, etc...), and while I have a general idea what the acronyms mean, I don't have an understanding of how they fit together on a timeline, or if some parts are actually smaller parts of another. The best I've found so far is this:

http://www.me.ngb.army.mil/careers/warrant/images/flightschoolpath.png

and I'm not sure of how accurate or current it is.

 

Can someone give a rundown of what courses, and their general lengths, happen between WOCS and the end of Flight School?

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Dunker - 2 days

BOLC - 8 weeks? It's been a couple years

SERE - 21 days

Aeromedical - week or so

Primary 8 weeks or so

Instruments 8 weeks or so

BWS 3 weeks.

 

Your advanced airframe course length differs.

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Dunker - 2 days

BOLC - 8 weeks? It's been a couple years

SERE - 21 days

Aeromedical - week or so

Primary 8 weeks or so

Instruments 8 weeks or so

BWS 3 weeks.

 

Your advanced airframe course length differs.

So all of that is considered IERW? Does BOLC deal with flying at all, or is it just additional officer training?

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AK would know better but to my understanding the collective primary, instrument and BWS is your IERW training and there typically are gaps between certain schools, better known as bubbles, where you will be stuck doing details or nothing between class dates.

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There is a bubble between WOBC and SERE - mine was three weeks long and I did dunker during this bubble.

 

Again, I had a three week bubble between SERE and starting Aeromed. Once you start aeromed, you have started the non-stop 22-week track of common core. You won't have a bubble again after aircraft selection. Even then, after selection I only had a week and a half before starting the 58D course. Everybody I selected with started their advanced a/c within a month of selection, with the exception of the 47 drivers - there are only a handful of 47 classes throughout the year. Even between finishing advanced and graduating, there was only about a week of downtime.

 

The only times I was put on a detail was immediately before and after SERE. I know my friends waiting for the 47 classes, who had a little more time on their hands, were put on details while waiting. The current bubbles in flight school are pretty minimal.

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From starting WOCS to graduation for me it was almost exactly 18 months. I was the WOCS class that got split by Christmas break, so that added nearly a month right there. The last of my WOCS classmates graduate from the Apache course in a few wees, so it was 20 months for them.

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Awesome, thanks for the responses guys, I'm just trying to get an idea of the framework so I can go one step at time, but know what's ahead.

 

Speaking of Christmas break, I'm assuming they probably won't do much between my almost Thanksgiving WOCS graduation and the new year?

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I got done with basic the week before Thanksgiving and started WOCS the day after. I selected the week after Thanksgiving and started 58Ds with a week and a half before the break. You very well may get two weeks into WOBC, break, and pick right back up after the holidays.

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Like vani said, it all depends. I have been sitting at BCo waiting to get into a BOLC class for over a month and it looks like I won't class up for a few more weeks. I have been on honors detail since graduating WOCS. You will be told after graduating WOCS what to expect. The one thing I have learned about BCo is that you can't count on anything until (like classing up into BOLC) until you are actually in the classroom on day 1. Things have changed so many times it is crazy. Jaut roll with the flow once you get to that point but until then just focus on BCT and WOCS.

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It is what it is. I've got a September WOBC date. I'm hoping they can get me in sooner, but I'm not counting on it. At any rate, the army is now paying me the most to accomplish the least in my 9 year stint...I wonder if I ran into you yesterday lol.

 

Like vani said, it all depends. I have been sitting at BCo waiting to get into a BOLC class for over a month and it looks like I won't class up for a few more weeks. I have been on honors detail since graduating WOCS. You will be told after graduating WOCS what to expect. The one thing I have learned about BCo is that you can't count on anything until (like classing up into BOLC) until you are actually in the classroom on day 1. Things have changed so many times it is crazy. Jaut roll with the flow once you get to that point but until then just focus on BCT and WOCS.

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It is what it is. I've got a September WOBC date. I'm hoping they can get me in sooner, but I'm not counting on it. At any rate, the army is now paying me the most to accomplish the least in my 9 year stint...I wonder if I ran into you yesterday lol.

 

 

Possible. I was only at BCo yesterday afternoon. What are you doing at Rucker while you wait to class up?

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