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These reason why some Atheist responses are long and winded is we are debunking a plethora of religious mythology from the Bronze Age.

 

Mike, I believe insulting Christians for their faith is no better than insulting atheists for their lack of faith. I think both practices are ignorant and disrespectful.
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Ask a Christian what an Atheist is and they can't answer the question. The best that Christians will say is that atheists are immoral people (because Atheists don't believe in invisible friends 'god', 'satan', 'angels', 'demons' etc.). The lies of Christians are omnipresent.

 

 

That's a rather broad brush, don't you think?

 

Christians, by definition, are followers of Christ, and nowhere does Christ direct his followers do denigrate, lie, live in ignorance, or put down.

 

One who claims to be a Christian, yet lies or lives in ignorance is not an adherent or follower of Christ, and therefore no Christian.

 

Perhaps you're forming your views from the wrong people.

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I don't know why Christians love to lie about Hitler. However, when Christians lie, they claim they are being moral, since they think they are being backed up by their invisible friend.
Hitler was originally a Christian but his views changed over his lifetime. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

 

I think Christopher Hitchens sums it up the best:
“I can only summarize it now and I’ll do so as very tersely as I can. First, Fascism the original 20th century totalitarian movement is really, historically, another name for the political activity of the Catholic right-wing, there is no other name for it, Francoism, Salazarism, what happened in Croatia, in Austria, and so on.
The church keeps trying to apologize for it and can’t apologize for it enough. It’s the Catholic right—Mussolini. You can’t quite say that about Hitler, National Socialism, because that's also based on Nordic and pagan blood myths, leader worship and so on, though Hitler never repudiated his membership of the Church, and prayers where said for him on his birthday, every year to the very end, on the orders of the Vatican.
All of these facts are well known and the church still hasn't found any way to apologize enough. And whatever it is, you can call that, you can’t call it secular, you may not call it secular.
By the way, Joseph Gobbles was excommunicated from the Catholic church. Fifty percent, according to Paul Johnson, the Catholic historian of the Waffen SS, were confessing Catholic. None of them was ever threatened with excommunication; even threaten for it, with it, for taking part of the Final Solution.
But Joseph Gobbles was excommunicated. For? (pause) For marrying a protestant. See? We do have our standards.”
—Christopher Hitchens (1949-2011)

You can hear Hitchens speak the above quote on YouTube:

 

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Christopher Hitchens debated Dinesh D'Souza about theology, and got his ace handed to him. That's the most telling debate involving Hitchens. By the way, Hitchens is one of the only dyed in the wool libs who saw clearly the menace of islam.

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I don't know why Christians love to lie about Hitler. However, when Christians lie, they claim they are being moral, since they think they are being backed up by their invisible friend.
Hitler was originally a Christian but his views changed over his lifetime. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

 

I think Christopher Hitchens sums it up the best:
“I can only summarize it now and I’ll do so as very tersely as I can. First, Fascism the original 20th century totalitarian movement is really, historically, another name for the political activity of the Catholic right-wing, there is no other name for it, Francoism, Salazarism, what happened in Croatia, in Austria, and so on.
The church keeps trying to apologize for it and can’t apologize for it enough. It’s the Catholic right—Mussolini. You can’t quite say that about Hitler, National Socialism, because that's also based on Nordic and pagan blood myths, leader worship and so on, though Hitler never repudiated his membership of the Church, and prayers where said for him on his birthday, every year to the very end, on the orders of the Vatican.
All of these facts are well known and the church still hasn't found any way to apologize enough. And whatever it is, you can call that, you can’t call it secular, you may not call it secular.
By the way, Joseph Gobbles was excommunicated from the Catholic church. Fifty percent, according to Paul Johnson, the Catholic historian of the Waffen SS, were confessing Catholic. None of them was ever threatened with excommunication; even threaten for it, with it, for taking part of the Final Solution.
But Joseph Gobbles was excommunicated. For? (pause) For marrying a protestant. See? We do have our standards.”
—Christopher Hitchens (1949-2011)

You can hear Hitchens speak the above quote on YouTube:

 

 

 

Listen to the Hitchens again. Listen especially in regard to Catholic right wing connections "Fascism is..." and then he names other fascist movements, but not Nazism. Because Nazis were fascist, but fascists are not necessaily Nazis, and that's an important distinction. Hitchens goes on to say "you can't quite say that about Hitler..." and gives an opinion why.

German Nazism was no more christian than it was aryan. The concordat had no more meaning for Nazis than the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact did. Yes, German Catholics influenced Nazism, as did German communists. The Nazis intended the same result for both philosophys.

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I no longer engage atheists in one-on-one discussions about faith. It’s hardly worth the effort, for their minds are so closed that no new thought or growth is possible. You know what else I hate about atheists? Glad you asked!

 

First of all, I hate that atheists think that they are somehow superior to people of faith. Atheists would like us to believe that only they use their brain, which is quite silly…so silly that it’s not even worth countering.

 

I also hate that atheists like to change the subject. If you ask an atheist if he believes in a Creator/God, he will invariably say, “DON’T SHOVE YOUR CHRISTIAN RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT!” As if the Judeo-Christian religion is the *only* alternative to atheism. Say what? Considering that there are, like, 10,000+ different religions out there, I hardly think asking about a belief in a Creator constitutes pushing a particular religion. Belief in a Creator is merely a faith. Disbelief in a Creator is another form of faith.

 

I hate that some atheists put forth really insane arguments. I love this one: “There are some really bad Christians out there. And if that’s what Christianity is about, then I want nothing to do with it!” On a more personal level they’ll say, “Bob, you drink alcohol and you are very condescending and rude to people. I judge you to be a Bad Christian! And since you represent all Christians then I don’t want to be one, harrumph!”

 

The “arguments” in the paragraph above are probably …no wait, they definitely *are* the stupidest things I’ve ever heard in my life. I’d expect statements like that from an elementary school kid, not a supposedly rational, thinking adult. But oh, do I hear them!

 

First of all, imagine if Eric Clapton had said, “All guitar players are shite. It makes me hate music and not want to be a guitar player, harrumph!” See how stupid that would be? Thankfully, Clapton did not modify his behavior based on the acts of others. He merely strove to be the best guitar player he could be. (Ironically, we used to see graffiti that said, "Clapton Is God" in the 1970’s.)

 

But anyway, who are you to judge me as a Christian? Screw you! There’s only one person who I’m concerned about judging me. And it ain’t you. Do me a favor, eh? Just live your own life.

 

I, on the other hand, do not judge you. If you claim to be an atheist then I will not and cannot “rate” you as a Christian because you’ve already told me you are not one! And even if you professed to be a Christian I would still not judge your level of Christian-ness. Not my job.

 

But we are not talking about Christianity. Atheists seem to believe that Christianity is the *only* form of faith, but it’s not. There are, as I said, thousands of religions. Again, I’m simply asking about whether or not a person believes that this universe was deliberately created? And to completely dismiss that possibility seems a little…umm…stupid and closed-minded to me.

 

Another thing I hate about atheists is how they always put up a smoke screen about their beliefs. They’ll say things like, “Atheism encompasses many diverse beliefs!” as if trying to convince you that some atheists even allow for the possibility of a Creator. Bullshit. A person who calls him or herself…*defines* him or herself as an atheist is telling the world that they deny the existence of God. Period. If they said that they don’t believe in God but they admit that God might exist it would make them agnostic. It really is that simple.

 

So do not fall for their feeble attempts to cloud the issue. Atheists not only don’t believe in God but they deny that God exists at all. I’m not really sure how they come to this conclusion, since *Science!* cannot prove that a Creator does not exist.

 

Ah, Science! Atheists will often say that they do not believe in anything they cannot touch, feel and measure. They say that this is a logical and rational approach to life. Oh yeah? I always fall back on this: Prove to me that love exists! Why should I believe you if you tell me you love me? Prove it! And conversely, why should *you* believe it when someone tells you they love you?

 

Simple. We take it on faith. Duh. We have to.

 

Atheists tell me, “Bob, that is a silly, irrelevant argument!” But no, it’s not. You cannot scientifically prove that love exists. (In fact, you cannot scientifically prove that gravity exists for that matter. Ask a physicist how gravity works sometime!) I think it is not such a great leap to say that if love can exist without solid scientific proof, then the existence of a Creator could be possible.

 

Me, I see “evidence” of a Creator all over the place. To not see this evidence is to live life as a blind man…without looking…without opening your eyes. It is a deliberately narrow-minded philosophy. It inhibits creativity and freeform, out-of-the-box thinking. And it is why I think the FAA should not grant flight physicals to persons who define themselves as “Atheist.” It is why I would never knowingly hire one. As the OP in this thread definitively concluded, an atheist-pilot is a dangerous combination.

 

Finally, atheists will say that faith in a Creator/God is irrational. Well, perhaps. As Mr. Spock on “Star Trek” repeatedly pointed out, humans are an illogical, irrational species. And we take a lot of things on faith. Sometimes the faith is based on solid logic and observable, repeatbable history: “I have faith that the sun will come up tomorrow.” Sometimes it’s not rational: “I believe that my wife loves me.” Or, “I believe that my mechanic will do his best work to keep me safe and not make any mistakes.”

 

What a sad, sad world it would be without faith!

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Nearly Retired, this diatribe of yours is such a joke. You keep spewing these false assertions and have failed repeatedly to defend any of them. Every time someone challenges one of your idiotic statements, you ignore it and yell louder. It's intellectually dishonest. Your inability to defend your position makes you a completely worthless participant in the discussion.

 

You're far less informed and far more narrow-minded than any of these strawman atheists you've put up.

 

If all you can do is make assertions that you can't back up, a mature discussion is out of your league. Maybe you should go work for congress.

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It amuses me to see the players on each side of a football game crossing themselves or kissing a crucifix before taking an important kick - if it does go in, does that mean that the Sky Pixie decided to listen to the prayers of one team, and ignore the other? If it misses, does that mean that the Sky Pixie is trying to teach the kicker an important lesson:( "I don't work like that!" booms the voice from the sky.) "Ooh, I must pray harder next time, the other team has got more influence here with the pixie than I have got."

 

A non-sky-pixie believer (sky pixie non-believer?) will simply have the response "5h1t happens" and move on. And be happy that he is not in the employ of a nearly retired person.

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The church keeps trying to apologize for it and can’t apologize for it enough.

 

"The church?" Which church would that be? Perhaps you mean "a church," because the Catholic church no more represents Christianity than any other. It's one organization of many, but most certainly does not speak for much of Christianity.

 

Be specific, in your broad brush venom. You speak incorrectly by talking about things you either choose to ignore, or apparently do not understand.

 

Christians who do profess to follow Christ but do not do as directed or who do not follow the example are not Christians. One may call a volkswagen a chevy, but that does not make it so.

 

But anyway, who are you to judge me as a Christian? Screw you!

 

Now there's a truly Christian view, eh? So much for turning the other cheek. By their works shall you know them, he said. Where does "screw you" fit in there, mate?

 

I no longer engage atheists in one-on-one discussions about faith. It’s hardly worth the effort, for their minds are so closed that no new thought or growth is possible.

 

WHAT? You started the thread just to smear this fecal rubbish across the board, yet again! You're all about your spreading your brand of vitriol and attacking others, particularly this prejudice about those who express or stand by their personal beliefs. It was you that carried on a disturbing diatribe aimed at one specific pilot because of her views on the subject, and you took great pains to destroy her character here. All in all, a decidedly unchristian thing to do.

 

You know what else I hate about atheists?

 

Hate is such a Christian ethos, isn't it? No, I don't care what you hate. I'd rather you keep it off a board where one speaks of aviation. It's irrelevant, and prejudicial and pointless, and let's face it, idiotic. You come here whining about athiesm negating one's ability to serve as a functioning crew member in an aircraft? You're entirely off your rocker. You prattle on about common sense, then throw idiotic statements out correlating belief in a creator with the ability to fly an aircraft?

 

Dry up. You've already posted at length about being washed up. Give it a rest already.

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Nearly Retired: Again, when people are involved in a cult, they have extreme difficultly in defining words because if a religious cult member is actually intellectually honest with themselves, that means they would have to think about the validity of their religious truth claims. However, members of the cult of Christianity believes their invisible sky daddy doesn't want them to go through this thought process.

 

I'm not sure why "Nearly Retired" feels his ramblings aren't seen through straight away. There are several definitions for the word "faith". Religious faith, faith in others and faith in ideas. Having faith in a loved one or faith in your mechanic has nothing to do with religious faith. Faith in another person means having confidence or trust in another person. Or you have faith in an idea such as the Constitution of the United States. Religious faith means you believe in the teachings of your particular religious cult, such as Christianity, Islam or Hinduism.

 

What is religious faith? Religious faith means that if you believe it to be true, it is true. If I am a Muslim, I know that Allah is the one and only "god" and the "god" of Christianity is not a real "god". Muslims lose no sleep over not believing in Christianity. Why do Muslims know their religion is the only one true religion? Based on faith. Which is why religious faith is meaningless, nonsense and fake. No amount of belief makes something a fact.

 

Christian think: "All other religions are fake because Christianity is the one and only true religion. How do I know this? The Bible says so and I know this is true based on my religious faith--belief."

 

Person of reason: "Dear Christian: Believers of all religions make the same claim. Their religion is the one and only true religion based on faith and all other religions are false. So, you are saying that faith = truth. If faith = truth, then all religions are real. Yet this makes no sense. How could all religions be true? They can't. Why? No amount of belief makes something a fact. All religions are man-made and are all failed sciences."

 

Christian response: "All other religions are fake because Christianity is the one and only true religion. How do I know this? The Bible says so and I know this is true based on my religious faith--belief."

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Unfortunately, religious belief is an insult to human intelligence. If science doesn't know something, science says it doesn't know. However, science is glad to say that something is true based on facts and evidence we currently have.

 

Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. Science is not based on belief. Science is based on knowledge.

 

Science loves criticism, debate, discussion, argument, questioning, doubt, scrutiny, evidence, critical thinking, thinking for yourself, the scientific method, discarding out bad ideas and bringing in new ideas, getting at the real truth and being told they are wrong (if new evidence is found and science is actually wrong, science loves to know it was wrong and then corrects the situation).
Believers hate criticism, debate, discussion, argument, questioning, doubt, scrutiny, evidence, critical thinking, thinking for yourself, the scientific method, discarding out bad ideas and bringing in new ideas, getting at the real truth, being told they are wrong and science (sometimes believers hate science, some ignore it, and others only hate science when it outs their religion or religious faith as the mythology that it is).

 

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Well, the topic did generate a lengthy discussion.

As for judging, We are to judge others, by their actions. We are not to judge others by their heart because no one can know another's heart. Only a creator can know that.

Here's what we are left with.

Life has many mysteries, many unanswered questions, many problems for existence.

At some point in your life you will come to ask, am I all alone ?

What is the point of my existence ? When I am gone will anyone miss me ? Was it like I never existed in the first place ?

One agony of man is that he knows himself to be fallible. Is there a solution for fallibility. Can man dare to aspire to perfection ?

Another agony of man is regret, usually for those he knows he has hurt, and cannot make amends for.

Is a life one great cosmic joke ? Did you come from nowhere and are destined for nowhere ?

In the absence of a power higher than man, might makes right. What man will challenge what is right when backed by might ? Caligula comes to mind.

It is absolutely a fact that in the absence of a higher morality that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Not one of you atheists would applaud a world devoid of moral constraint. If you think you would, read "Lord of the Flies".

Oh, and another thing. Quit positing the conflict between science and faith. It's manufactured.

Many great scientists were believers, and found no conflict.

One of the greatest was Albert Einstein, who after much of his studies and works concluded "God doesn't play dice with the universe".

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Members of any religious cult actually don't believe in a "god". They believe in the "god of the gaps", that is, the gaps of science. (Or the gaps of scientific knowledge believers don't have.)

 

If a believer doesn't understand something which science does not know (or that science knows but the believer doesn't know--that science already knows), the believer will say "god did it."

 

How was the universe made? Believer, I don't understand it and I am certain that science doesn't understand it, so "god did it!"

 

Before science understood epilepsy, what was the churches response? That person is possessed by a demon, "Satan did it". Wrong.

 

"Epilepsy is a common and diverse set of chronic neurological disorders characterized by seizures. It is a paroxysmal behavioral spell generally caused by an excessive disorderly discharge of cortical nerve cells of brain and can range from clinically undetectable (electrographic seizures) to convulsions." -From Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy
Trying to replace "god" with science used to seem to work before the Scientific Age. However, now that we are in the Scientific Age, we know vast amounts of information about the nature of the universe we live in. Which is why people laugh out loud at any who believes in any religion or superstition. These are simply old ancient mythologies which have no use to a productive, healthy and forward moving society.
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The Bible has so many outdated teachings and immoral instructions. Take doubt. The Bible instructs their followers not doubt their faith. Matthew 14:31, Luke 24:38, John 20:24-29, Romans 14:23, James 1:6.

 

(Side note: Admonishing anyone to not doubt an organization is a red flag that its probably a cult.)

 

The Bible says to never doubt. That faith is a virtue. Sciences says, doubt is everything. Faith is not a virtue, reason is a virtue. It's easy to test the unfounded virtue of the teaching of doubt.

 

1) When you cross the street, do you use religious faith or doubt? Do you say, "I am going to cross this street, and use religious faith, I don't have to look, 'god' will keep me safe."? If you are smart, you don't use religious faith to cross the street, you use doubt and look both ways and the double and triple check as you are crossing. Doubt it everything.

 

2) When you buy a car. Do you say, "I will trust in 'god' that the first dealership I go to will be the right one and I will buy the car the sales person recommends you buy. It's all about faith, my invisible friend will see that all goes well." Or do you say, "I wonder which is the most reliable car. Let me check with Consumer Reports to make sure I am getting a good car. Am I getting the right price? I wonder?" Doubt is everything.

 

3) When you buy clothing, do you use religious faith? "I like this shirt, I don't need to put it on, I will trust 'god', he is going to make sure it fits. I don't need to doubt this." Or do you try on the shirt to make sure it's a good fit? Doubt is everything.

 

Sciences says, doubt is everything. Faith is not a virtue, reason is a virtue.

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Unfortunately, religious belief is an insult to human intelligence. If science doesn't know something, science says it doesn't know. However, science is glad to say that something is true based on facts and evidence we currently have.

 

Your diatribe is worse than Nearly Retired's vitriol. Is there some particular reason you have a problem with others living their own life?

 

Your assertions are incorrect and biased.

 

You apparently have your own religion: science. You seem to make an assumption that there is a dividing line between science and religion or belief, that these things are at odds and mutually exclusive. While medical doctors no longer cure most maladies with leaches, the process for CPR changes with alarming regularity, and the FDA continues to approve drugs that do irreparable harm. We continue to develop diseases that we cannot control, and our use of antibiotics continues to push the risk of unconquerable infections and disease by the very virtue of the drugs developed to fight them. What is true for science today is not necessarily true tomorrow.

 

You seem to make the assumption that Christianity rejects science, which is patently untrue. Your pointless spewing about faith and belief is no better than Nearly Retired. It's tiresome, and hardly the voice of reason or tolerance.

 

I've no more interest in what Feynman has to say about faith than Stephen Hawking's view. Both have contributed immeasurably to thinking regarding physics, but in no wise does that entitle them to more than a casual opinion on other subjects, just like the rest of us. I wouldn't care to hear their views on how I should fly an aircraft, either. That's my field of expertise, not theirs. Let them (and you, and NR) believe as you will, but kindly don't try to cram your narrow, prejudicial views down other's throats. Who do you suppose it is that you'll convert to your thinking, and what do you hope to accomplish? Enough is enough. Give it a rest.

 

The Bible says to never doubt.

 

 

The Bible teaches that one should prove all things, and hold fast to that which is true. Your understanding seems limited and blinded by what you think is true. Perhaps you should stick to fact.

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If prayer worked (which is never does, because god is imaginary), then why don't Christians staff ambulances and heal people on the spot? Why aren't ministers staffing hospitals? If prayer worked, people would enter the hospital and ministers would pray for them to be healed. People would walk in sick or injured and walk right out.

 

Matthew 18:19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven."

 

Either prayer works or it doesn't. Christians will say that 'god' doesn't work like this. Why not? How else are we to take this verse? Christian claim the Bible is the word of 'god'. Okay... I am reading the word of 'god' and taking it seriously. Yet prayer doesn't work.

 

If prayer does not work what should I think? It's easy. Either the Bible is true or it's not. Either 'god' made man or many men made many gods. It should be obvious to any thinking person. All religions are man-made.

 

It's time for all thinking people to leave the Bronze Age mythologies and step into the Scientific Age.

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Science loves criticism, debate, discussion, argument, questioning, doubt, scrutiny, evidence, critical thinking, thinking for yourself, the scientific method, discarding out bad ideas and bringing in new ideas, getting at the real truth and being told they are wrong. If new evidence is found and science is actually wrong, science loves to know it was wrong and then corrects the situation.


Believers hate criticism, debate, discussion, argument, questioning, doubt, scrutiny, evidence, critical thinking, thinking for yourself, the scientific method, discarding out bad ideas and bringing in new ideas, getting at the real truth, being told they are wrong. Sometimes believers hate science, some ignore it and others claim they like science except when science outs their religion or religious faith as the mythology that it is.
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They claim to like science – Okay. Come on Mike, as a reader of this thread I think you are a little overreaching with your sophistry. I suppose that is why for example; the Catholics, Baptists, and Methodists maintain all those wonderful universities and hospitals because science “outs” their religion or religious faith.

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They claim to like science – Okay. Come on Mike, as a reader of this thread I think you are a little overreaching with your sophistry. I suppose that is why for example; the Catholics, Baptist, and Methodist maintain all those wonderful universities and hospitals because science “outs” their religion or religious faith.

Very true.

Many hospitals have clergy on staff.

Those that don't have preferred reserved parking for clergy.

There is no conflict between faith and science except manufactured.

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Suppose that a creator exists, the creation of a reality would also create scientific principles upon which that reality is based. An intelligence within that reality would have no rational point of reference to differ with it. Lack of that reference proves nothing.

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Why are believers so afraid to address my challenges? Because they are weak which is more proof that religion is simply mythology. Perfect words to describe believers: The pathetic image of the flock.

 

So, churches have hospitals. Really? Wow. Then why do they have doctors? Why don't church-run hospitals simply use prayer to heal the injured and sick? Put your money where your mouth is. If prayer works, we wouldn't need doctors.

 

So faith and science don't mix. If faith/prayer worked, there would be no need for science. The fact is this: Prayer never works because 'god' is imaginary.

 

It's easy to prove that prayer never works and is simply fantasy.

 

Example 1) I prayed for a good grade and I got it. What about people who did not pray for a good grade but got a good grade? How is this explained? That another invisible friend, Satan, helped the non-believer?

 

Example 2) I prayed for a beautiful wife and I got one. What about people who didn't pray for a beautiful wife but got one? How do you explain this?

 

Claiming that prayer works, when it never does, is simply wallowing in wishful thinking and self-delusion. Not good for you or society. Believers need to think about why believing in an invisible friend is harmful to society. However, they won't. Why? Believers are urged to not think.

 

Never question your faith. And never answer any challenges from nonbelievers. Why? Because your invisible sky daddy won't give you any answers to help you. It's one of 'gods' little mysteries why 'god' can't help make Christians make a Bronze Age mythology seem real when believers are challenged.

 

If you are a thinking human being, you need to ask yourself, what is more likely? Did a god make man or did many men make many gods? And then ask yourself why religious and superstitious belief is extremely harmful to society.

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