WOFT for National Guard- Feeder MOS

[droz88]

I have contacted the WOSM of the guard in both of the states I would like to move to. They have told me I must enlist first before sitting before a WOFT board. In one state they told me it has to be a 15 series MOS. Well there are plenty to choose from and I am wondering what would be a good MOS to enlist in where you get to spend time around the pilots and also where you can learn a lot about the airframes. Thanks

Edited January 21, 2014 by droz88

[d10]

Nobody works closer with pilots than 15T and 15U.

[electron_si]

What states are you looking at and what airframes? that would help with input

[droz88]

I was looking to move to either Washington or Colorado

 

I'll fly anything the guard will give me. I have a slight preference for 47's though.

Edited January 21, 2014 by droz88

[Yamer]

15R or 15T would be my two number one choices followed by 15U if the state has chinooks. Don't do 15P or the uas uav mos. no pilot interaction. You could do scout helicopter crew chief but not my favorite choice. Don't pick avionics or armament mos. those schools are way too long for not staying enlisted afterwards. Pick one that is short to get in and done and home to do your packet

[Yamer]

I'm a NG 15R almost selected for wocs and I just got back from ait in August 2013

Edited January 21, 2014 by Yamer

[droz88]

Thanks guys. Those helicopter mechanic programs take about 4 months in addition to the 2.5 months of basic training. I am having a hard time trying to work out being gone for so long with my employer. What rank/paygrade do you get during training if you enlist under these 15 series MOS's? I am a college graduate

[Yamer]

With a 4year degree you'll be an E4. As far as your employer goes, it's not up to them. They are mandated by federal law to retain your position for you as well as give you any raises you would have received while you're gone. Once you return from school, you go right back to the position and job you left. No questions asked with no repercussions. I was gone from 28jan until 30july for 15R plus basic

[droz88]

Yamer- This is actually a potential employer. I informed them that I intended on enlisting in the guard and would be away for training for a while and they said they don't think they would be able to work that out if I would be leaving right away and suggested I do the training first and then if the position is still open they would work with me on it at that time.

[Justine]

Yamer- This is actually a potential employer. I informed them that I intended on enlisting in the guard and would be away for training for a while and they said they don't think they would be able to work that out if I would be leaving right away and suggested I do the training first and then if the position is still open they would work with me on it at that time.

thats illegal

[Rob1237051]

Justine: It is only illegal if he is actually employed by that company. The prospective employer trying to discourage that course of action is just good sense from that company's point of view.

[Ardo09203]

I thought it was only illegal if you were already in the guard before you were hired.

 

Do they still have to retain your position if you work there and decide to join the guard?

[droz88]

Yes they have to hold your position if you're already employed. If you tell them you intend on joining and they decide not to hire you on that basis alone then I am not sure if that is discrimination and illegal. I could of just not said anything but I think that would of been deceiving of me.

[Justine]

Justine: It is only illegal if he is actually employed by that company. The prospective employer trying to discourage that course of action is just good sense from that company's point of view.

They cant NOT hire you because you are looking into the Guard. There are lawsuits/legislature on going for this. I have fellow LTs who don't put that they are military on their applications. The company doesn't need to know ahead of time IMO.

reference following link for said information http://www.justice.gov/usao/nce/documents/EmploymentRights.pdf

[Rob1237051]

That's not what he said happened anyway. He informed them voluntarily and they're trying to persuade him not to go that course. They're either unaware of the policy or all too aware of the policy. Also the Guard service is currently hypothetical. It makes little difference.

 

While they can't use it as a discriminator to not hire him but you can bet they'll try to find another qualified applicant. It would be hard if not impossible to prove in court.

 

Edit: The way I read page 5 of the link provided WOFT applicants are covered the minute they put in their DA61 (As that is an application). That's pretty handy to know and I'm surprised this hasn't come up before on these forums.

[Justine]

That's not what he said happened anyway. He informed them voluntarily and they're trying to persuade him not to go that course. They're either unaware of the policy or all too aware of the policy. Also the Guard service is currently hypothetical. It makes little difference.

 

While they can't use it as a discriminator to not hire him but you can bet they'll try to find another qualified applicant. It would be hard if not impossible to prove in court.

page 5

[Rob1237051]

See my above post I was revising as you posted lol.

 

Edit: page 32. Your boss can get a sweet certificate of achievement for supporting your military service. Why am I still reading this? ...Probably because I see the Guard in my distant future.

[Yamer]

I agree with above and ardo, yes to your question based on my first hand experience. I was employed 7 years before joining the guard and I came right back to my job.

As for not being employed there yet? Technically I'm pretty sure they aren't required to do anything based on the law. Your transparency with them is admirable but might end in your own demise with that employer.

 

Do what you want to do for your woft career and let the cards settle where they fall. Plenty of other civilian employers out there jumping at the bit to hire a guardsman

[droz88]

Justin is correct, they cannot discriminate based on my intention to join but that would sure be hard to prove in court. My transparency may do me in but I'm in a small field and so its better than burning bridges.

[Yamer]

Www.esgr.mil

[annerajb]

I have contacted the WOSM of the guard in both of the states I would like to move to. They have told me I must enlist first before sitting before a WOFT board. In one state they told me it has to be a 15 series MOS. Well there are plenty to choose from and I am wondering what would be a good MOS to enlist in where you get to spend time around the pilots and also where you can learn a lot about the airframes. Thanks

wanted to let you know that In Puerto Rico NG they informed me the same you have to enlist I asked them if on a 15 Series and they said on whatever is needed.. Thought at the end you still have the choice.

 

They additionally told me that you do a board before enlisting and after arriving from AIT for 15 Series or w/e MOS you choose they do a actual flight board. I read somewhere that they want you to be MOS Q before they sent you to the flight board.

 

The WOSM said the reason they do this is in case you fail along the process of WOCS/SERE/Flight School you still have a job on the guard.