PHOTOS - Unmanned Systems. Will they change us?

[Flying Pig]

What did ol' Pohi lie about? That part about him being a pilot?

[avbug]

I'm done, as in I'm fired?

 

Try taking some of your own advice. I was thinking something along the same train of thought to say to you, but couldn't phrase it right. So...read what you wrote, and pretend I said it to you.

 

Except, the "You're done." part. I'd never say something like that. Way too arrogant for my style.

 

You're done, because you've nothing further to offer. Your credibility having been shot, any further drivel from you is waste.

 

You're done.

[Pohi]

Damn, I'm done twice, and have no credibility? Oh my, that's a horrible place to be in.

 

Or is it that I have no credibility in your eyes? If that's the case, I really don't care about your opinion because your thoughts are often delusional at best.

 

Stop sending me private messages telling me how great I am. I feel like you are stalking me.

[adam32]

Yeah...a lot of good the Predator did...the morons still managed to let it burn 250,000 acres of my backyard. It had to be escorted to and from the fire with a tail plane to make sure it didn't deviate and go "snooping".

 

Just this last year the USFS utilized assistance from a Predator on a large complex fire in California. Expect to see a lot more.

 

 

Edited May 19, 2014 by adam32

[Flying Pig]

Well, it doesn't have a trail plane to make sure it doesn't "snoop". It has a trail plane that provides its collision avoidance.

[adam32]

Well, it doesn't have a trail plane to make sure it doesn't "snoop". It has a trail plane that provides its collision avoidance.

 

So there goes the cost savings.

[avbug]

 

Yeah...a lot of good the Predator did...the morons still managed to let it burn 250,000 acres of my backyard. It had to be escorted to and from the fire with a tail plane to make sure it didn't deviate and go "snooping".

 

 

 

 

The Predator wasn't there to prevent your house from burning. Making statements that its use failed because acres burned is sheer stupidity and a very poor straw man argument. Numerous assets were on that fire, and every asset in the country could have been on that fire, without the ability to stop it, At one point many of the fixed and rotor wing assets available in the western United States were there, including the DC10. If you wish to make yourself seem more ignorant than you appear to be, keep harping on that line. Of course the Predator didn't prevent the acres from burning. It wasn't there to do that.

 

As for a "tail plane," where did you get that little gem from? You've not spent any time around Predators, have you? No, the aircraft didn't have a "tail plane," and no, there was not an aircraft following it to "make sure it didn't go snooping." If you can't speak the truth, stay silent.

 

Pohi lies. Adam32 lies. Got it. Neither have credibility. If you need to invent lies to discuss the topic, then the topic is only a work of fiction. Liars, both. Next?

[adam32]

 

The Predator wasn't there to prevent your house from burning. Making statements that its use failed because acres burned is sheer stupidity and a very poor straw man argument. Numerous assets were on that fire, and every asset in the country could have been on that fire, without the ability to stop it, At one point many of the fixed and rotor wing assets available in the western United States were there, including the DC10. If you wish to make yourself seem more ignorant than you appear to be, keep harping on that line. Of course the Predator didn't prevent the acres from burning. It wasn't there to do that.

 

As for a "tail plane," where did you get that little gem from? You've not spent any time around Predators, have you? No, the aircraft didn't have a "tail plane," and no, there was not an aircraft following it to "make sure it didn't go snooping." If you can't speak the truth, stay silent.

 

Pohi lies. Adam32 lies. Got it. Neither have credibility. If you need to invent lies to discuss the topic, then the topic is only a work of fiction. Liars, both. Next?

 

 

Actually I was here at the fire the entire time and yes it was a hard one to handle but the Predator did nothing to help the situation. Nor did the DC-10 when it was dumping retardant 800 yards from my house while the fire was 7 miles away, air miles, not including the canyons in between. The fire could've been stopped multiple times but when you have morons telling dozer crews that they have cut a too wide of line when it already jumped several other lines you will get poor results.

 

And yes, the Predator DID have a tail plane, your ignorance is showing yet again.

 

http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/159643/predator-drone-remain-rim-fire.html

 

http://fireaviation.com/2013/08/28/predator-drone-being-used-on-rim-fire/

 

http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/Predator-aircraft-makes-history-on-Rim-Fire#.U3tteShtY1o

 

You're done, Avbug.

Edited May 20, 2014 by adam32

[Pohi]

The aviation and internet god has spoken and therefore it must be true, Adam. Regardless of what you think you know, your experiences have no credibility because some random person deems your experiences to no fit within their views. It's just how it works.

[aeroscout]

The latest government strategy with you know who in "charge" bypasses invasion of privacy, and goes straight to assassination of US citizens...

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/20/report-obama-administration-to-reveal-secret-drone-memo/

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/20/report-obama-administration-to-reveal-secret-drone-memo/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/20/report-obama-administration-to-reveal-secret-drone-memo/

 

I couldn't wait any longer for a retraction or apology from avbug. I had to go on without any satisfaction for his lies about me.

[avbug]

 

 

Actually I was here at the fire the entire time and yes it was a hard one to handle but the Predator did nothing to help the situation. Nor did the DC-10 when it was dumping retardant 800 yards from my house while the fire was 7 miles away, air miles, not including the canyons in between. The fire could've been stopped multiple times but when you have morons telling dozer crews that they have cut a too wide of line when it already jumped several other lines you will get poor results.

 

And yes, the Predator DID have a tail plane, your ignorance is showing yet again.

 

http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/159643/predator-drone-remain-rim-fire.html

 

http://fireaviation.com/2013/08/28/predator-drone-being-used-on-rim-fire/

 

http://www.verticalmag.com/news/article/Predator-aircraft-makes-history-on-Rim-Fire#.U3tteShtY1o

 

You're done, Avbug.

 

If your'e referring to this snipped from the article, which you obviously didn't read...

 

The drone is being flown by the 163rd Wing of the California National Guard at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside and is operating from Victorville Airport, both in Southern California. It generally flew over unpopulated areas on its 300-mile flight to the Rim Fire. Outside the fire area, it will be escorted by a manned aircraft.

 

Then you'd note that the reference was escort outside the fire area. There was absolutely NO requirement to supervise the Predator, nor to prevent it from "snooping." The escort to and from the launch site was a legal requirement, and the aircraft was unescorted during its 22 hour mission over the fire.

 

You weren't there. You were miles from the fire, and had no involvement in the fire. You're not a firefighter, are you? Just another armchair expert who knows nothing more than how to run his mouth. You say that the Predator had no use on the fire; you say this based on your vast experience operationally on that fire within the incident command system? Or just that you think the fire should have been out sooner and therefore you're guessing about the use of the Predator?

 

You assert that the DC10 had no value to the fire. You assert this based on what? Certainly not fixed wing air tanker experience. Certainly not line firefighting experience. Certainly not incident command experience. Have you ever held a red card? A pilot fire card? You've come how close to the fire line as a qualified, credible participant? The evening news?

 

The fire could have been stopped? How many large complex fires have you worked, or stopped? None, right?

 

So...more lies and guesswork, no credibility, and you were seven miles from the fire "not including the canyons in between?" You were in the thick of it, weren't you? You have a problem with retardant pretreating in front of structures? Perhaps you need to step up, go get 20-30 years of line experience, and see if you can work your way up to Incident Commander on a Type 1 team, so you can voice your opinion and change the way business is done.

 

You don't happen to have that kind of qualification do you? Just spouting off without a leg to stand upon, then?

 

The latest government strategy with you know who in "charge" bypasses invasion of privacy, and goes straight to assassination of US citizens...

http://www.theblaze....ret-drone-memo/

http://www.theblaze....ret-drone-memo/

http://www.theblaze....ret-drone-memo/

Hardly a credible bit of info, but also largely irrelevant. You're now attempting to compare elimination of a terrorist threat overseas to use of unmanned assets domestically? Are you familiar with the concept of the straw man argument?

How much time have you spent in the areas in which al-Awalaki was put down? He was a terrorist. A well established one. Fight against humanity and against your own country, and see how much value citizenship has. He's dead, and that's a good thing. It's really irrelevant to the use of unmanned assets in the domestic USA.

[adam32]

 

If your'e referring to this snipped from the article, which you obviously didn't read...

 

The drone is being flown by the 163rd Wing of the California National Guard at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside and is operating from Victorville Airport, both in Southern California. It generally flew over unpopulated areas on its 300-mile flight to the Rim Fire. Outside the fire area, it will be escorted by a manned aircraft.

 

Then you'd note that the reference was escort outside the fire area. There was absolutely NO requirement to supervise the Predator, nor to prevent it from "snooping." The escort to and from the launch site was a legal requirement, and the aircraft was unescorted during its 22 hour mission over the fire.

 

 

So you admit you are wrong? That it did have a tail plane just like I said?

 

There's no use even replying to the rest of your dribble...Bob is right, you're just a washed up grumpy old fart that had many many chances and screwed them up.

[avbug]

 

So you admit you are wrong? That it did have a tail plane just like I said?

 

There's no use even replying to the rest of your dribble...Bob is right, you're just a washed up grumpy old fart that had many many chances and screwed them up.

 

No, they did not have a "tail plane."

 

You weren't on the fire, were you? Again, without a leg to stand on, your only source of information a side bar on a second rate news line, you're another armchair quarterback. It would seem that what you know about the fire would fit on the head of a pin, and still leave plenty of room to build a small house.

 

Have you ever worked a fire in your life?

[adam32]

Yes it did moron, read the links.

 

Yes.

 

And yes.

 

I'm guessing you were thousands of miles away watching it on the news, who's the armchair quarterback now?

[Pohi]

He was IN the UAV, Adam.

 

He is ubiquitous and omniscient.

[avbug]

I'm guessing you were thousands of miles away watching it on the news, who's the armchair quarterback now?

 

 

Don't guess. You guess wrong.

 

I was busy fighting fire during that time. Very busy.

 

I'm presently in the field on a fire contract, and was out on the fire an hour ago. You?

 

The UAV was unescorted during the fire.

 

Edited May 23, 2014 by avbug

[adam32]

I never said only during the fire, dumbass.

 

What operator do you work for? I know all that were here except the plank operators.

[aeroscout]

Update...today 7 drones aka unmanned aircraft aka UAVs in 3 ARTCCs.

[avbug]

I never said only during the fire, dumbass.

 

What operator do you work for? I know all that were here except the plank operators.

 

Ah, name calling again; used when one doesn't have the intelligence or substance to make a point.

 

No fire experience, then. It shows.

 

You stated that the UAV had a "tail plane" (hard to say that without sounding like a 3 year old, isn't it) for keep it from "snooping." That was never the case, and during its mission, it was unescorted.

 

You've never worked around unescorted, autonomous unmanned equipment, have you?

 

So, not limiting rights, and not invading privacy, then. Surprise, surprise.

[adam32]

 

Ah, name calling again; used when one doesn't have the intelligence or substance to make a point.

 

No fire experience, then. It shows.

 

You stated that the UAV had a "tail plane" (hard to say that without sounding like a 3 year old, isn't it) for keep it from "snooping." That was never the case, and during its mission, it was unescorted.

 

You've never worked around unescorted, autonomous unmanned equipment, have you?

 

So, not limiting rights, and not invading privacy, then. Surprise, surprise.

 

"Tail plane" and "escort plane" is the same thing moron. I never said it was "escorted" during it's "mission". How can you be so obtuse?

 

You can just admit you are wrong and be done with it.

[avbug]

 

"Tail plane" and "escort plane" is the same thing moron. I never said it was "escorted" during it's "mission". How can you be so obtuse?

 

You can just admit you are wrong and be done with it.

 

"Moron." "Obtuse."

 

Excuses for lack of intelligent thought, again. This is no surprise. When unable to make a point, you seem to fall back on name calling.

 

Fourteen year olds do that.

 

Yeah...a lot of good the Predator did...the morons still managed to let it burn 250,000 acres of my backyard. It had to be escorted to and from the fire with a tail plane to make sure it didn't deviate and go "snooping".

 

 

"Morons?" There you are again. Who are these "morons" who "let" the fire burn up your backyard? Your back yard has a quarter of a million acres? What a wealthy fourteen year old you are.

 

How do you suppose anyone "let" the fire burn up? How would you have stopped it in your exceptionally large back yard?

 

The aircraft had to be escorted to make sure it didn't go snooping, you said. You said incorrectly, of course. Why do you suppose, if the military had any intent on "snooping," that the military sent it's own aircraft to prevent themselves from "snooping?" Lies.

 

What rights were diminished by that operation, and what privacy was lost, exactly?

Edited May 23, 2014 by avbug

[adam32]

So you do admit you are wrong then?

 

And actually yes, my backyard is a million acre forest

 

I'm heading out there in a couple minutes.

[aeroscout]

I hate to be the last one to stir the pot, but I am still waiting for a retraction and an apology for 2 lies told about me in this thread.

I'm not sure how long I should wait.

I am glad about one thing though.

I decided against holding my breath.

[cburg]

July 2014 Flying Magazine article:

 

Drone Jobs: How Hard Is It to Fly a Drone page 52

[aeroscout]

You guys make sure you check notams. The drones seem to be multiplying like rabbits.