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The as mentioned the Commanders can determine to what extent an individual will be treated as a Prior Service while attending BCT. alot will be determined by "YOU and how they perceive you" always strive to be an NCO and carry yourself as one. The rest falls on the Command to determine what they think you need.

 

4-8. MOS trained/prior service Soldiers

a. MOS trained and prior service Soldiers are those individuals, in any grade, who have
previously completed IET and are attending skill level 1 training in IET units as a result of
reclassification or enlistment actions
. Reclassified and prior service Soldiers are not considered
IET Soldiers; however, they are assigned to IET units
. This definition does not apply to those
Soldiers who failed to complete the requirements for the award of a MOS as part of the initial IET
process. Reclassified and prior service Soldiers must meet all course requirements for graduation
(APFT, etc.) and are subject to IET policies, unless otherwise stipulated in this regulation.
b. Prior service Soldiers in IET.TRADOC Regulation 350-6

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(1) Prior service Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard personnel who have not completed a U.S.
Army BCT Course or U.S. Marine Corps Basic Training Course will complete Army BCT at one
of the four ATCs and are treated as prior service Soldiers using the guidance contained within TR
350-6 and as follows:

(a) Prior service personnel are not considered IET Soldiers but will comply with applicable
regulations, standards, and training requirements.

(B) Prior service personnel in the pay grade of E-1 through E-4 are billeted IAW this and
other applicable regulations.

© Prior service personnel in the pay grade of E-5 to E-9 are billeted separately from other
BCT Soldiers. Prior service personnel are billeted in a separate building when possible. If a
separate building is not available, then on a different floor of a BCT building. If a different floor
within the building is not possible, then within a separate room (not in an open bay). Prior service
NCOs may be billeted using the same as initial entry BCT Soldiers as a last resort with approval of
the DCG-IMT
. Requests should be submitted in memorandum format. Billeting NCOs with BCT
Soldiers is not the intent and should be a last resort.
(d) These standards include billeting while processing through the reception units.
Reception units will immediately identify prior service personnel and ensure the gaining BCT units
are informed of the prior service personnels status rank, pay grade, and billeting standards. Prior
service personnel may be housed in AIT facilities.
(2) Prior service personnel who enlist for a MOS held during their previous enlistment, and
have less than a 3 year break in service are assigned directly to operational units.
(3) Prior service personnel who enlist for a MOS not previously held, and have less than a 3
year break in service will attend AIT in the new MOS. If the new MOS is taught in the OSUT
mode, the person will enter training at a point at which all MOS training is accomplished.
c. Duties/responsibilities.
(1) Commanders may take advantage of the experience and leadership abilities of
reclassified and prior service Soldiers, and use them to augment their cadre. However, the primary
duty of reclassified and prior service Soldiers is to attend training and become technically
proficient in their new MOS.
(2) Prior service NCOs in training may assist with IET Soldiers with regular cadre oversight
after appropriate orientation and certification by the unit commander/first sergeant on TRADOC
policy regarding leadership and treatment of IET Soldiers.
(3) There is no requirement for reclassified or prior service Soldiers to receive reinforcement
training on skills taught in BCT or the BCT portion of OSUT. However, AIT/OSUT commanders
will evaluate each Soldier's proficiency in all areas (not just MOS subjects) and ensure training is TRADOC Regulation 350-6
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provided, as required. Use reclassified and prior service Soldiers who are proficient in common
tasks as demonstrators and assistant instructors. Use reclassified and prior service NCOs as
assistant evaluators in training IET Soldiers.
(4) Reclassified and prior service Soldiers should not be billeted with IET Soldiers, and
when housed in a separate building, the separate and secure requirements do not apply. If training
locations cannot meet this provision, commanders may billet prior service Soldiers in the same
barracks complex as IET Soldiers. These Soldiers will not be billeted on the same floor as IET
Soldiers and commanders must comply with the separate and secure policies IAW paragraph 2-9.
If the requirements cant be met, an exception must be approved by DCG-IMT. Requests should
be submitted in memorandum format. Commanders are encouraged to integrate reclassified and
prior service personnel with IET Soldiers during training to enhance training by taking advantage
of their knowledge, experience, and leadership abilities.
(5) Privileges for reclassified and prior service personnel.
(a) Although reclassified Soldiers are subject to IET policies and procedures, their privileges
are the same as those of permanent party members of equal grade. They are treated with the
dignity and respect due their grade.
(B) The unit commander determines specific privileges based on such factors as grade,
training performance, self-discipline, motivation, and conduct.
© Fraternization between reclassified, prior service Soldiers, IET Soldiers, and cadre is
forbidden IAW AR 600-20, paragraph 4-14b.
d. This paragraph is not applicable to individual ready reserve (IRR) Soldiers reactivated to
military service. Utilize the guidelines outlined in the IRR mobilization (MOB) training strategy

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Utimately is up to the Commanders & Cadre, Regs are there but like most things in the military and civilian life regulations are up for interpretation as far the to the extent they are followed..

 

This can however provide some level of insite as to what it "Could" be like.

 

When thinking of Military Schools I try to follow the guidance of an individual i know all to well who was the Chief Instructor at the Fort Chaffee NCOA for the last 14 years of his career.

 

he said " Just remember, They can and will make your life HELL, but they won't kill you"

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When I went to BCT, I was prior AF. I was 3 weeks away from sewing on E-5 when I was sent to Benning. So I went as an E-4, not caring about the pay, just eager to start my WOFT journey, and that's when I learned that if I would have stayed and put on E-5 before BCT, I would have had seperate barracks and all that good stuff. We had an AF E-6 in BCT with me as well. After red phase he was put in his own room, was allowed to bus to the PX, had his cell phone, and basically just had to show up to the training events. Meanwhile, I was in the barracks getting smoked daily like I was a new private. Anyway, bottom line is, E-5 and above prior service are going to have it a lot better, assuming the commander knows the regs. E-4 and below, even if you were deployed and have 5+ years in, be prepared to be a day 1 private again.

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CWIL, you're probably a better soldier now than that e6 is that went through BCT with you. Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the best road is not the easy road.

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When I was in basic we had a few prior Navy guys that got inserted into our class. They didn't do anything with us they lived downstairs in their own rooms with their ipads and cell phones and stuff. They had pretty much free roam of the base and could change into civilian clothes and leave the barracks after 1700 everyday and on the weekends. They didnt do any of the training exercises they just followed us around and watched us do everything.

 

That was years ago though Im not sure if anything has changed or not since then.

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It ended up being a good thing. When you go through Benning as an AF guy, it turns out drill sergeants hate you. It was miserable, but WOCS was a vacation in comparison, and PT was no problem. In the end I was glad I had to do it. I told myself the same thing, everything happens for a reason.

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The silver linings are amazing for doing things right or not taking th easy road.

 

This time however for me it sucks..... I am being delayed yet again. While Attending MEPS i elected o go the high rd and not do as the recriter said an i brought up that i had an allergic reaction in 05 to an unknown substance which went undiscovered till MEPS forced my hand and made me get tested for Allergies last week & disqualifying me.... Now i have to submit for a waiver to reenlist...

 

good thing i am already practiced ith the hurry up and wait.

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I have a question that hopefully can be answered.

 

I was in the Navy and was in for only 4 years. I was promoted to E-5 at 3 1/2 years and finished off my AD as such. I was NOT getting paid for E-5 when I seperated from the Navy.

 

So on my DD-214 it states that I am an E-4.

 

But I have official paperwork also stating that I was promoted to E-5.

 

What is the likely group I will be in when I get selected for WOFT ;) .

 

I heard that if you were an E-5, BCT training was shorter or you go through a program dubbed "Warrior Transistion".

 

Thanks

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You will still attend the normal BCT. We had an E-6 from the navy with 18 years TIS (he was joining the guard) and an E-5 from the navy with 5 or 6 years TIS. They did everything that we did except they had their own bay all to themselves and they got their phones and computers. They also go on post passes a lot. As for rank I have no clue.

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Great info so far. I'm coming from the Air Force Reserves as an E-6 with 12 years TIS. I'll attend BCT prior to OCS. I believe the general consensus is that the type of treatment I can expect in BCT is dependent on my command. I'm still interested in hearing more stories or experiences from other NCOs that have been to BCT, preferably, Ft Jackson. Thank you in advance.

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I'm an E-7 in the USMC, 11.5 yrs TIS and I will be doing the Phase 1 WOCS distance learning and start at Phase 2. No BCT.

 

Gunny, I am a prior service USMC E-5 with 3 combat deployments, however by the time my package is submitted I will have a break in service of more that 3 years. Do you know if I will be able to go straight to WOCS like yourself, or due to my break in service will I still be required to go to BCT? Or are you aware of a Warrior Transition Course? I have heard all three and I'm not sure what is accurate.

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^I'll be in the same boat E5 with one deployment, 3+ year break in service by the time I'm able to make this happen. I'm going the Guard route most likely, but it's been explained to me by multiple guard recruiters that I may have some issues keeping rank after 3 years, but I should be able to enlist straight into a guard unit with no BCT requirement, and then submit my WOFT packet from there.

Interested to know if this is not the case.

 

Mike

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^I'll be in the same boat E5 with one deployment, 3+ year break in service by the time I'm able to make this happen. I'm going the Guard route most likely, but it's been explained to me by multiple guard recruiters that I may have some issues keeping rank after 3 years, but I should be able to enlist straight into a guard unit with no BCT requirement, and then submit my WOFT packet from there.

 

Interested to know if this is not the case.

 

Mike

Yea, I keep hearing different things from different sources. This is the first I have heard about the possibility of having to give up rank though. I busted my ass to get E-5 (as I'm sure you did too), that would be a tough pill to swallow, even if it were only for a few months. Let me know what you find out and I'll do the same.

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Im in pretty much the exact boat as the two of you ^^ I EAS'd the end of 2012 and just finished my IRR in March. Im pretty sure AR 601-210 Section 5-16, 1(D) and (F) explain that if you have attended Army or Marine bootcamp you're not require to attend BCT unless you have longer than a 3 year gap in service. Your end of service being defined as when your IRR time ends.

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Im in pretty much the exact boat as the two of you ^^ I EAS'd the end of 2012 and just finished my IRR in March. Im pretty sure AR 601-210 Section 5-16, 1(D) and (F) explain that if you have attended Army or Marine bootcamp you're not require to attend BCT unless you have longer than a 3 year gap in service. Your end of service being defined as when your IRR time ends.

That is how I read that also. Unfortunately for me, my IRR time ended in 2013, so it looks like BCT it is for me (assuming I get selected). Any input on the possibility of losing rank mentioned above?

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FWIW just got off the phone with a guard recruiter and they said under no circumstances will a Marine go back to boot camp (I asked about 3 years out of IRR).

 

Mike

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Also, as for what I was saying RE rank. They said after 3 years from when you check out you may or may not be able to keep rank.

Mike

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Also, as for what I was saying RE rank. They said after 3 years from when you check out you may or may not be able to keep rank.

 

Mike

 

Did a WOSM ever get back to you about waiving the time required before being eligible to board?

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Negative. The recruiter reached out to a WOSM. I'm going to do a meet and greet in the spring, and will be meeting one on one with the WOSM before I sign anything. I don't want to waste anyone's time at this point.

The way I am planning it right now, however, is enlist as a 15(X) late this summer, choose an AIT date almost 2 years out, and then get all the stuff together to board about a year later, which is when I'll be sitting for the bar. I should be meeting with the command during my meet and greet, as well as the training NCO to confirm that I can actually put off AIT that long.

Mike

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