stearmann4 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I just got done flying the UH-72 for a couple of hours and here's my take; yes, it's a cool, little civilian helicopter. It's best quality is that its rated for single pilot operation but its got a great avionics suite (for an Army aircraft). I think beyond the safety of having two engines, it's way too much to stuff into a Primary students head, and the mast moment issues present too many restrictions for students feeling their way around learning to fly. Its bad enough that my first time flying it I wasn't allowed to attempt a landing without an SP in the other seat. It's perfect for what the Army originally purchased it for, hard stand to hardstand, non-combatant support. For those of you who were excited to fly it to get another "rating", you'll have it listed on your ORB/759, but not have enough time in it to be qualified to be considered by HRC for a Lakota assignment. This isn't a big deal now, since most all the LUH assignments have converted to 60Ms. Depending on how many Ft Rucker wrecks, the current purchase block is 250-something LUHs, will far exceeds the Rucker requirement. My guess s when the Army starts seeing the bill for operating 60s where the UHs and UH-s used to inhabit, you'll start seeing a fiscally driven move to push Lakotas back out to some TDA assignments. As far as civilian employment; the time you get in an EC-145 with primary/instruments combined isn't going to get you a job in the future. Total helicopter turbine PIC time (Pt 61 definition) is what matters. You'll have long forgotten everything you every knew about the LUH by the time you ready to get out of the Army, so the fact that you have 50 hours of EC time isn't going to make or break your job search. Mike- 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocity173 Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Everyone worries about getting experience in a civilian equivalent aircraft such as a H145 while they're in. Civilian operators list preferred time in those aircraft. The reality is, they don't care. You have to go through their Part 135 checkout program anyway. Employers want total time for insurance purposes. Instrument and NVG time is important. Time in type helps but finding someone with significant time in type is rare. I was offered an IFR single pilot spot in a 145 and I've never even sat in one! You're getting out of the Army. You've flown mostly aircraft that have no civilian equivalent. Don't worry about it. They'll train you. You're going to go from flying a 60, 64 or 47 one day into an H135/145 the next. Edited November 9, 2015 by Velocity173 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwil7280 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Selection today for Warrants - 47 - 1 c12 - 2 64E - 1 64D - 4 60 - 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFmarksman Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Wow, quite a few AD Warrants. Any idea about selection order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akscott60 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Well, at least everything was up for selection today. What place took the 47 and 64E? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwil7280 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 First guy took 64E, second took a 60, third took the 47. I don't know about the rest, I wasn't actually there but when I get more info I'll relay it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwil7280 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Ok so in order here:64E, 60, 47, 60, 12, 60, 60, 64D, 60, 64D, 12, 60, 64D, 60, 60, 64D, then five 60s. I can't believe that second C-12 went 11th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian101193 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 As in surprised it lasted so long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwil7280 Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanniyn Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 First guy took 64E Big surprise there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritter Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Big surprise there. I know him. I thought for sure he'd pick a 47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkerman180 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Oh dear pagan god of helicopter selection... Let me get a selection like this and 1st on my OML.. So that I can toil and squirm at the last second and change my mind five times between my seat and the white board and be hated by at least one individual by the time I sit down... Oh wait, they are all awesome aircraft, f*ckin Army Aviation... this is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brackac Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 What is this "white board" you speak of? We just yelled out our choice like we were playing Yahtzee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBear Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Oh dear pagan god of helicopter selection... Let me get a selection like this and 1st on my OML.. So that I can toil and squirm at the last second and change my mind five times between my seat and the white board and be hated by at least one individual by the time I sit down... Oh wait, they are all awesome aircraft, f*ckin Army Aviation... this is awesome.I figure if I was in that situation, I'd bring a bingo cage and let fate decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepilot42 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 No.1 on OML gets called to the front and erases a tick mark for his choice. He stays up there and erases tick marks as each choice is called out going down the list until there is nothing left to select. Once there is only one airframe left then selection is over and that's what you're flying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luofynerd Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Not gonna lie, I'd probably be that guy being a little baby if I didn't get Ah-64D/E. It's nothing against the other airframes and I'm not gonna start a debate but just because I've been an Apache Repairer for 6 years and I know that airframe in and out. This guy can do my own PMD lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_P148 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Not gonna lie, I'd probably be that guy being a little baby if I didn't get Ah-64D/E. It's nothing against the other airframes and I'm not gonna start a debate but just because I've been an Apache Repairer for 6 years and I know that airframe in and out. This guy can do my own PMD lol.There should be a program for former maintainers.There also needs to be an incentive to work hard, which is what the selection does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napoleonpp Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 LOUFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsey Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 The cake is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkerman180 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Cake? Shout out to the CDO desk driver at Delta the other day who brought brownies for whoever wanted them #bawlinstatusmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TachedOutOffRoad Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I totally disagree that enlisted 15s get a priority. Being a former ground guy, i feel like we should should get bonus points 1)We've had a hard life and now deserve the best shot at a good life in AVN2)If you've killed somebody with 5.56, you've earned first chance at 64s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optamix Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 LOUFYDon't worry, I went to the commissary for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stearmann4 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Real life example of "It Pays to be A Winner." There is no such thing as bad luck, you make your own luck:) Mike- 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcropper Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Selection today: 1: C121: 64E12: 60M 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamer Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Wow... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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