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Appreciate it. Do you know how current it is? Pretty sure Riley and Carson have 64E now.

 

 

One of the 64 Units at Fort Carson has 64D and the other has 64E. There are 2 Warrants in my 64D course headed to Carson in a couple months. I believe 6-17 ARS has 64D and 4-4 ARB has 64E. I could have those reversed, my assumption is based on looking at pictures on the unit facebook page and trying to spot the FM1 antenna on the catwalk unique to the 64E.

 

As for Fort Riley, 1-6 ARS has 64E and 1-1 ARB has 64D.

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One of the 64 Units at Fort Carson has 64D and the other has 64E. There are 2 Warrants in my 64D course headed to Carson in a couple months. I believe 6-17 ARS has 64D and 4-4 ARB has 64E. I could have those reversed, my assumption is based on looking at pictures on the unit facebook page and trying to spot the FM1 antenna on the catwalk unique to the 64E.

 

As for Fort Riley, 1-6 ARS has 64E and 1-1 ARB has 64D.

Gotcha, thanks.

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As for Fort Riley, 1-6 ARS has 64E and 1-1 ARB has 64D.

Negative. Both 1-1 and 1-6 have 64E

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Negative. Both 1-1 and 1-6 have 64E

 

 

It appears we are technically both right about 1-1. They started the transition in early April and are flying split fleet Delta's and Echo's until this fall.

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Wasn't sure if that was the full list. I know they have 60's in VA and 64's in Marana. Nice to see the Apache in Alaska.

Not sure about the 60's in VA but the 64's in Marana are NG. It's where I got my LOR for my packet.

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The rumor going around is that 67 classes cant select Apaches anymore. Can anyone confirm that?

We were talking to the student management officer last month and she said that they are going to try and limit the 64 options for the 67 classes. She said something about no NVG time in the 67 but that didnt make much sense to me.

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We were talking to the student management officer last month and she said that they are going to try and limit the 64 options for the 67 classes. She said something about no NVG time in the 67 but that didnt make much sense to me.

 

The 64 course had only 2 goggle flights. Everything else at night is under the system. I wonder what the thinking is there.

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We were talking to the student management officer last month and she said that they are going to try and limit the 64 options for the 67 classes. She said something about no NVG time in the 67 but that didnt make much sense to me.

They somehow managed for 20+ years transitioning from 67 to 64. People in my class are pissedddd.

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They somehow managed for 20+ years transitioning from 67 to 64. People in my class are pissedddd.

 

I sympathize with that fact, though the 67 will be wiped from the Big Green Weenie's inventory soon enough....Still puzzling as to why the Army is jumping the gun on no 67 to 64 courses.

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I sympathize with that fact, though the 67 will be wiped from the Big Green Weenie's inventory soon enough....Still puzzling as to why the Army is jumping the gun on no 67 to 64 courses.

When it does that will be the last group of pilots to actually know how to fly a helicopter. Everyone in the LUH and whatever comes next will never know what it’s like to be in control without a computer doing most of the work. Not to mention they will never actually take a power off auto all the way to the ground.

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When it does that will be the last group of pilots to actually know how to fly a helicopter. Everyone in the LUH and whatever comes next will never know what it’s like to be in control without a computer doing most of the work. Not to mention they will never actually take a power off auto all the way to the ground.

 

blah blah blah

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blah blah blah

Blah blah blah all you want, we're seeing the difference in pilot quality already since the switch to the LUH and shortening of the 64 course.

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Blah blah blah all you want, we're seeing the difference in pilot quality already since the switch to the LUH and shortening of the 64 course.

 

Do you believe that is more related to using the 72, shortening the course or the caliber of individuals the Army is cramming into the pipeline right now?

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Do you believe that is more related to using the 72, shortening the course or the caliber of individuals the Army is cramming into the pipeline right now?

The LUH hurts fine control touch skills in my opinion. The switch also moved to a single instructor for the duration of primary as opposed to separate contact, instruments and BWS instructors who specialized in teaching that one area. Shortening the 64 course means cutting more corners to push people through and sending less than ready pilots to units.

 

I don't think the increased selection rates have much to do with it. There's no real measure of flight apptitude in the selection process. A good instructor could teach a monkey to fly.

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The LUH hurts fine control touch skills in my opinion. The switch also moved to a single instructor for the duration of primary as opposed to separate contact, instruments and BWS instructors who specialized in teaching that one area. Shortening the 64 course means cutting more corners to push people through and sending less than ready pilots to units.

 

I don't think the increased selection rates have much to do with it. There's no real measure of flight apptitude in the selection process. A good instructor could teach a monkey to fly.

 

Interesting indeed.

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When it does that will be the last group of pilots to actually know how to fly a helicopter. Everyone in the LUH and whatever comes next will never know what it’s like to be in control without a computer doing most of the work. Not to mention they will never actually take a power off auto all the way to the ground.

 

I guess since the OH58 is gone they don't feel a need for that training, too bad.

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The LUH hurts fine control touch skills in my opinion. The switch also moved to a single instructor for the duration of primary as opposed to separate contact, instruments and BWS instructors who specialized in teaching that one area. Shortening the 64 course means cutting more corners to push people through and sending less than ready pilots to units.

 

I don't think the increased selection rates have much to do with it. There's no real measure of flight apptitude in the selection process. A good instructor could teach a monkey to fly.

 

Day 3, we've been down aircraft twice. Check ride doesn't move, less hours all around. Lotta pressure on URS, not enough instructors, not enough aircraft, and not enough hours.

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The LUH hurts fine control touch skills in my opinion. The switch also moved to a single instructor for the duration of primary as opposed to separate contact, instruments and BWS instructors who specialized in teaching that one area. Shortening the 64 course means cutting more corners to push people through and sending less than ready pilots to units.

 

I don't think the increased selection rates have much to do with it. There's no real measure of flight apptitude in the selection process. A good instructor could teach a monkey to fly.

You can, and do fly with the systems off in the Lakota during the course, some instructors more then others. You do still have a separate IP for WS at shell, just Lee the same one through contact/instruments/and whatever they are calling the man intro after instruments now.

As for the control touch, Id say thats more IP/student dependent, I was in a mixed 67/72 47 course, and if anything the 72 guys were a little bit ahead from the get go.

And from my recollection the brass collectively said they would rather get pilots sooner, even if less trained, then later. At least thats what they were saying 3 years ago when these changes were in the works.

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You can, and do fly with the systems off in the Lakota during the course, some instructors more then others. You do still have a separate IP for WS at shell, just Lee the same one through contact/instruments/and whatever they are calling the man intro after instruments now.

As for the control touch, Id say thats more IP/student dependent, I was in a mixed 67/72 47 course, and if anything the 72 guys were a little bit ahead from the get go.

And from my recollection the brass collectively said they would rather get pilots sooner, even if less trained, then later. At least thats what they were saying 3 years ago when these changes were in the works.

I'm in a 72 class right now getting ready to take my check ride on Monday. We usually fly SAS off from Cairns to the stagefield and do our first approach before we switch everything back on. But your absolutely right about it being IP dependent, I know some guys who fly SAS off the entire time.

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