RagMan Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Skyline Helicopters in Las Vegas is hiring Part 91 tour pilots, Butters. Suck up the $12 an hour and build your time. And you get to give tours over the strip like youve always wanted. https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=4b6d32c0216c1686&from=serp&prevUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indeed.com%2Fm%2Fjobs%3Fq%3Dhelicopter%2Bpilot%26l%3DLas%2BVegas%252C%2BNV%26ts%3D1521301550856%26rq%3D1%26fromage%3Dlast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPPL Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 WOWZA..! $12 an hour?? Seriously? What does McDonald's currently pay its staff Stateside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred0311 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Do it butters! You can put me as a reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r22butters Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Well gee wiz fellas I was going to follow up on the SPIFR offer I got a couple days ago from REACH, but $12 bucks an hour, that's awfully tempting,...after all its almost half what I make as a truck driver, plus who really needs benefits anyway,...and 401k's are for suckers! You know I was just in Vegas for the Expo, didn't see these guys anywhere,...saw Novictor though. I suppose I could sleep in my car in one of the Casino parking lots (did it when I had a seasonal job in Tahoe) and maybe moonlight as a blackjack dealer? Hmmm, what to do? ,...pretty sure my dream job involved lingerie models though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Lottsa dancers in Vegas. And wannabe dancers. With your natural charm and being a real live working helicopter pilot, you should be able to find a different bed every night for years.. Heck, that's why I don't go to Vegas anymore*, too many beautiful girls pawing me like I'm meat. Geeez, I have a mind! But you'll have to pull your pants up, Butters. Weenie waggers draw from the wrong team.... Not that there's anything wrong with that. *I don't go to Las Vegas any less either. Never been, got no inclination to go, I don't gamble. Edited March 17, 2018 by Wally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r22butters Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 WOWZA..! $12 an hour?? Seriously? What does McDonald's currently pay its staff Stateside?Don't know what they pay, but they just sent me a coupon for a free medium fry with purchase of a Shamrock Shake. Happy Saint Patrick's Day,....wooo hooo! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r22butters Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 ,...and to think, Freddy told me I couldn't take the doors off because it scares the passengers! Hurray, I just made three bucks! ,...oh and yes, the fries and shake were yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatpix Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 We pay $20/hour but we fly hours at a time. With tours you might get someone that can only afford a $20 ride which is 3 minutes and it's slow to build time. I own www.HeliRides.com fyi. I actually have a CFI shortage right now and need R22 SFAR 73 and RHC school cfi's in Houston, Chicago, Puerto Rico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatpix Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 You all realize that when oil prices drop dramatically that oil companies don't have much reason to use helicopters to explore for it and that pushes demand for pilots and helo pilot wages down, right? This happened a few years ago. And when oil is cheap airline ticket prices can go down and more people fly to more places and more airline pilots get hired because of the demand? Around 2009 when the economy was bad and the price of oil was high it was a good time to be a helicopter pilot and a bad time to be an airline pilot. This is known as "market forces" and "supply and demand." When I started flying in 1986 there was a guy at the helo flight school that had 3000 hours and living on peanuts. One day he said that an airline showed an interest in him and I never saw him again. Maybe this is why an add on commercial is only 50 hours if you already have the other commercial rating? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred0311 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Unless you're offering non cfi butters a job you're off topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avbug Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 When I started flying in 1986 there was a guy at the helo flight school that had 3000 hours and living on peanuts. One day he said that an airline showed an interest in him and I never saw him again. Maybe this is why an add on commercial is only 50 hours if you already have the other commercial rating? No, the FAA did not craft regulation for the convenience of aspiring airline wannabe's. Do you photograph many boats on the Las Vegas strip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overtorque Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 You know I kinda like boatpix coming in and having his posts be half ads for his own business and the other half being regular talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo828 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 He never misses a beat / chance for shameless self promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r22butters Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 There's another tour operator in Vegas with an ad out. Its for a shuttle bus driver,...they get $14 bucks an hour. I'm not sure what to do with that,...cry,...or go back to the school where I got my commercial and demand a refund! The really sad part is that this $12 an hour flying gig probably got a ton of resumes. In fact I'll bet anyone a thousand bucks that I could apply to this position and never get any response from the operator, no email, no phone call, no interview, nothing! ,...any takers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Hunt Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Butters, our cleaners get $22 an hour, and never have to worry about the weather, running out of fuel, staying current, or having to get into an R22. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avbug Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 It's not only pathetic that there are takers or employers who would offer such a ridiculous wage, but more so that there are employers who put "employees" in the seat of the aircraft, on a commercial, revenue-generating operation, and charge the "employee" for the use of the aircraft. It doesn't get much lower than that, folks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS1993 Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 How about the pilots begin to unionize and start pushing for some type of organized movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hand_Grenade_Pilot Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 How about the pilots begin to unionize and start pushing for some type of organized movement?There are some companies with unions. For example, in the offshore oil and gas sector, PHI and Bristow. The HEMS sector as well. Their effectiveness is debatable. Some argue they laid the foundation for many of the benefits in place now, and non-union companies had to follow suit to retain pilots. In recent times though, I have not seen anything worthwhile come from the unions. Unlike the airline unions, helicopter unions seem to never go on strike, so their isnt much to use for demanding better pay and benefits. But to be honest, Im not sure that the economics of O&G at present could support a union demanding more, other than raises to keep up with inflation. O&G is a cut-throat business; if a company shuts down due to a strike (or begins charging significantly more for their services), they could very easily lose contracts to a competitor. Then, instead of better benefits, the pilots would be dealing with layoffs. Im assuming that the PHI and Bristow unions are biding their time until oil prices rise higher and there is more demand; in my mind, that would put them in a better position to negotiate good terms rather than settling for a small increase now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearly Retired Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Well, H-G-P, there's a reason helicopter pilots don't go on strike. The last one backfired BIG TIME. It was PHI. The first contract was hard to get; the company negotiated fiercely. I was on the Negotiating Committee. The company argued over the silliest of things. I mean, really, it was stupid. The fact that we even got a contract at all was a major feat. The were two guys (long-time employees) on the Negotiating Committee who teamed up and got elected as President and Vice-President of the Local. They had an agenda - one that was different from mine. I wanted to foster a good working relationship with the company moving forward. They were intent on getting back at PHI for past injustices. As expected, relations between the company and the union during that first contract were not good. After the term of the first contract, when it came time to renegotiate, things did not go well. Basically, the Executive Board of the union rejected the company's final offer. A strike vote was taken, and it passed. Unfortunately, idiotically, the union did not call for an immediate walkout. They waited three months. But PHI had a contingency plan. When the strike was no immediately called, the company worked with their customers (who were all interested in keeping unions *out* of the Gulf of Mexico). PHI arranged with Sikorsky/Flight Safety for strike-breaking scabs to come work for the company as temporary contractors. They arranged for Air Log to land at PHI bases and cover flights. When the strike was finally called, it had little to no impact on PHI's operations. As I said, idiots! On top of that, many pilots who went out on strike caved when the company called and said, "Come back to work or you'll be permanently replaced." Guess what happened! You see, companies only have to give a striking employee his job back IF IT HASN'T BEEN FILLED. If the strike ends and there are no slots for returnees, well, sorry Charlie. Some good friends of mine lost their jobs. Bottom line: Forget a national union. Don't count on helicopter pilots to stick together for the greater good. It's just not going to happen. There is NO solidarity among helicopter pilots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPPL Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Bottom line: Forget a national union. Don't count on helicopter pilots to stick together for the greater good. It's just not going to happen. There is NO solidarity among helicopter pilots. In my experience this is true not only for helicopter pilots but a lot of other completely unrelated industries. I suppose it boils down to basic human nature and not job types.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatpix Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 I think careful longtime readers of this forum will recall that I've mentioned to Butters here that I would help him get to CFI and a job with us and that is true with any rated helicopter pilot. I do that in a loan and as they are going to work for me at $20/hour we can be flexible like if someone works for me for 1000 hours that's $20k. We don't take pix of the Vegas Strip but Lake Meade and Lake Havasu we've been known to frequent since about 1999. If someone thinks this is an advertisement consider that I'm the only active poster that actually does advertise on this forum. My cell is 561-346-2816. 300 total time rotor, 100 in our aircraft ($25K) and CFI is what we require along with RHC safety school and we conveniently keep a heli in Torrance, California as well as 4 other time zones in the USA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avbug Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Good god. Twenty five grand pay for one thousand hours flying??? How the f*ck do you live with yourself??? You ARE the problem with this industry. You're cancer. You're a f*cking virus. Seriously. Any "employer" that claims to give a "job" to someone, then proceed to charge the "employee" for the privilege of "working" for them is A) a first class a**hole, B ) not an employer, C) raping the industry, and D) pond scum that does nothing but lower the bar for everyone. Unf*ckingbelievable. Edited March 22, 2018 by avbug 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r22butters Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Careful longtime readers of this soap opera (if there are any left) would also remember that old butters cannot be a cfi because he gets sick as a passenger! ,...which is also why our loveable loser had to stop taking pictures after just five minutes and was down for about six hours that day with nausea before returning to (gingerly) fly the "photographer" around the fishing tournament when he did some time building with boatpix many, many, many years ago! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Hunt Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 ...so it should be "R22 barfers"? Poor sod. One of my mates had been flying helicopters for a long time, and was even a qualified test pilot from USNTPS. He was posted to instruct on jet trainers, and was airsick almost every time he went up with a student. But he persisted. I even made him a special sick bag out of a topo map, so he could still navigate while barfing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avbug Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I don't know any pilots that get sick in aircraft, but I did work with the chief pilot of a corporate department who had simulator sickness. When he first told me about it, I thought he was making it up, but it's a legitimate condition, and I recently ran into someone else in a full motion simulator that has the same thing. He's been flying for several decades, much of it in heavy widebody aircraft, and has no problem in the aircraft...just the simulator. In the case of the simulator, it's a disconnect between what the body signals is actually happening, and what the eyes see. Ever walk across a narrow bridge above a river and stare down at the fast moving water? It can be hard to maintain equilibrium. The body knows it's not moving, yet the illusion with the water rushing past give a different signal. Same in the sim. The body isn't actually going anywere, but full motion simulators are designed to give a very deceptively accurate feeling of flying. It's the disconnect between the impression received and the reality that makes people with that condition sick. It may be something similar for someone who is disconnected from the controls. A helicopter is a surprising environment for that experience, but a number of pilots report that they get sick doing aerobatics, but not if they're on the controls. Likewise, a lot of us don't like heights, but we're okay in an aircraft. I don't like carnival rides, but have no problem maneuvering in the aircraft. One would think that if the body and mind handles it under one circumstance, it should in all, but this isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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