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I submitted my packet for the Nov '19 board and was NS-FQ. I was hoping to have my second look on the Jan '20 board. After being a non select on the first time I decided to take some flying lessons and work on improving my PT score. I have accumulated 6 hours in a helicopter since the end of November. Today I went in to my recruiter's office to turn in my student pilot certificate and copies of my flight logs. My recruiter and the head of the office told me they would not put it in my packet. They then went on to say that my packet is not competitive and they will not re-submit it for a second look on the January board. They both think my GPA is too low. I had brought my workout clothes with me so that I could redo my APFT. I have been training smarter and have been scoring in the 260s when I test myself. However, they were not willing to let me even do the APFT and resubmit my packet with a better PT score. They were very adamant that my GPA makes me non-competitive, regardless of my other stats. I said "Very well, I understand" and then I promptly left. There is no point arguing or getting upset with someone who's mind is made up. My plan is to find a new recruiter. Personally I don't believe that all the board sees is GPA. My GT score was great my SIFT score is also decent. If I get my PT score up to the 260s or 270s then that will be even better. All that with the fact that I now have experience in the cockpit of a helicopter will make my packet strong and compensate for my GPA, which I cannot change at this point. But my recruiters won't even let me resubmit.

When I find a new recruiter will he/she be able to pull up my packet info, meps physical, and flight physical from before, or will I have to fill out the paper work again?

My stats from the Nov '19 board are:
Age 29
no prior service
Asvab 95
GT 131
SIFT 54
A.S. Engineering 2.4 gpa
Flight physical approved, with waiver for my shoulder surgery
APFT 230 

Good luck to everyone going on the January board.

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18 minutes ago, LordByron423 said:

I submitted my packet for the Nov '19 board and was NS-FQ. I was hoping to have my second look on the Jan '20 board. After being a non select on the first time I decided to take some flying lessons and work on improving my PT score. I have accumulated 6 hours in a helicopter since the end of November. Today I went in to my recruiter's office to turn in my student pilot certificate and copies of my flight logs. My recruiter and the head of the office told me they would not put it in my packet. They then went on to say that my packet is not competitive and they will not re-submit it for a second look on the January board. They both think my GPA is too low. I had brought my workout clothes with me so that I could redo my APFT. I have been training smarter and have been scoring in the 260s when I test myself. However, they were not willing to let me even do the APFT and resubmit my packet with a better PT score. They were very adamant that my GPA makes me non-competitive, regardless of my other stats. I said "Very well, I understand" and then I promptly left. There is no point arguing or getting upset with someone who's mind is made up. My plan is to find a new recruiter. Personally I don't believe that all the board sees is GPA. My GT score was great my SIFT score is also decent. If I get my PT score up to the 260s or 270s then that will be even better. All that with the fact that I now have experience in the cockpit of a helicopter will make my packet strong and compensate for my GPA, which I cannot change at this point. But my recruiters won't even let me resubmit.

When I find a new recruiter will he/she be able to pull up my packet info, meps physical, and flight physical from before, or will I have to fill out the paper work again?

My stats from the Nov '19 board are:
Age 29
no prior service
Asvab 95
GT 131
SIFT 54
A.S. Engineering 2.4 gpa
Flight physical approved, with waiver for my shoulder surgery
APFT 230 

Good luck to everyone going on the January board.

from what i have heard is that, asvab and sift are a pass or no pass kindve thing they dont care about the score, nor does the gpa come into great effect, also flight time doesn't mean a lot to the board from what i have heard, it just shows a little, and the biggest thing i would see if the apft score is what is holding you back, what about your essay and lor?

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1 minute ago, Axesteel said:

from what i have heard is that, asvab and sift are a pass or no pass kindve thing they dont care about the score, nor does the gpa come into great effect, also flight time doesn't mean a lot to the board from what i have heard, it just shows a little, and the biggest thing i would see if the apft score is what is holding you back, what about your essay and lor?

I thought my essay was good. But I have been reworking it everyday this week. As for my LORs, I got a retired 3 star admiral that I know well, his son and I were roommates, I had a family friend who was a naval intel officer, I had an Army reserve JAG officer and I got met with my congressman and got a letter from him. 

I took a new DA photo, and had made revisions to my resume too. The only things I planned on being the same in my resubmit were my GT Asvab, LORs and GPA, everything else was going to be updated.

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That's bullshit. I'd ask to speak to the recruiters team leader or 1st Sergeant. I'd also get your entire packet from him. First of all, he is wrong. Second of all, it's not his call to make (other than him being lazy). The only thing I could think of is if you come off incredibly strange in person -- but even then, that's for the board to decide. And I've met some weird dudes who are going aviation. 

I would get some different letters of recommendation. You really should have an army warrant officer aviator as one of your letters. Drop the JAG, who cares, and maybe the congressman. Get a solid letter from a CW3 or higher in aviation. 

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Definitely keep pushing to get what you want. To answer your question - yes, they can access your MEPS paperwork and your test scores. Other branches can access it with a SPF change too. Not sure about your actual packet though.

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Not to mention unless something has changed, they don’t get to decide if you go up for the second board. My understanding is the packet automatically goes to the next board in the case of a FQ-NS. Updates are put in to help but the recruiters don’t “resubmit”

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7 hours ago, jkray said:

Not to mention unless something has changed, they don’t get to decide if you go up for the second board. My understanding is the packet automatically goes to the next board in the case of a FQ-NS. Updates are put in to help but the recruiters don’t “resubmit”

I already sent an email to the USAREC board asking to take my packet off the list for the January board. The update deadline is Monday and I won't have enough time to find a new recruiter and take a new APFT by then. So now I'm shooting for the March board for my 2nd look.
I'm channeling my anger towards my former recruiters into constructive workouts and will be revising my essay and getting as much flight time as I can by the update deadline for the March board.

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Get an aviator LOR if you don't have one. A letter from a congressman sounds cool but is practically meaningless unless you actually know him personally. Recommendations from someone who actually does the job you're trying to get carries way more weight than a random person saying you are a good person. If you were trying to hire someone would you rather read a recommendation from someone with experience in the relevant field or the guy's friend? 

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9 hours ago, LordByron423 said:

I already sent an email to the USAREC board asking to take my packet off the list for the January board. The update deadline is Monday and I won't have enough time to find a new recruiter and take a new APFT by then. So now I'm shooting for the March board for my 2nd look.
I'm channeling my anger towards my former recruiters into constructive workouts and will be revising my essay and getting as much flight time as I can by the update deadline for the March board.

If you are already waiting for the March board (or later), definitely get an LOR from an Army aviator for all the reasons that have already been said. This is an extremely important piece to the packet. Good luck with the new recruiter, I had to switch as well, hopefully you can stay with the same MEPS district to make life easy

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Yeah man, keep pushing till they (the board) tells you no. Stemming off of a previous comment, network amongst your flight school, guaranteed someone was a Army Pilot at one point. Try to get a face to face with the Chief Instructor or Owner. I will be resubmitting this coming November after a waiver denial, stick with the mindset that you will keep trying till someone legitimate tell you no (again the board), that how I am going about it. Good luck man, worse worse case, sign a three year contract, get out and get civilian training paid for by the VA. I have posted in a previous thread, the Army can get you wings one way or another. 

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To answer your questions, your best bet is to find and ask your new recruiter. What will transfer can be unpredictable but, as mentioned earlier, I would stay within the same Battalion, preferably Company, to eliminate the need for a Meps to Meps. You can call a different station and ask which MEPS they use and if they are in the same Battalion/Company or message me your location and I’ll let you know what your options are. 

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Thanks for all the info and advice guys. 
I got an email yesterday from SFC Hoefling who is the WOFT liaison. He informed that if I request my packet be taken off the Jan board then I would be forgoing my second look and would have to wait 1 year before I could reapply. I immediately sent him a reply email explaining the situation. I just tried calling him this morning but he didn't pick up. I'll try again later today. Hopefully things will work out for me.

As for finding a new recruiter, I have a scheduled meeting with one this Friday. Luckily I live in Virginia so all recruiting stations will go to the FT Lee MEPS so I won't need to get new MEPS paperwork.

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UPDATE:

I was able to get everything sorted out, by speaking to USAREC directly. I sent my updates directly to them and they assured me they will be included in my packet for 2nd look. Great relief. 

Good luck to my fellow January applicants. 

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45 minutes ago, LordByron423 said:

UPDATE:

I was able to get everything sorted out, by speaking to USAREC directly. I sent my updates directly to them and they assured me they will be included in my packet for 2nd look. Great relief. 

Good luck to my fellow January applicants. 

thats funny, becouse usarec doesnt handle civ packets so are they sending you to jan board or march board? 

 

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36 minutes ago, LordByron423 said:

USAREC definitely handles civilian packets. It is a USAREC person that sends out the emails informing people is they are FQ-S or FQ-NS and what the next steps are.

it says on USAREC page that they dont handle civ packets

 

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Well USAREC G3 Special Programs and boards has been handling my civilian packet. I used the contact information given that was listed on the email that you get when you're FQ-NS the first time. I don't think it matters what division handles your packet as long as your packet gets to the right place, in the right category, on time with all the correct and updated information. 

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1 hour ago, LordByron423 said:

Well USAREC G3 Special Programs and boards has been handling my civilian packet. I used the contact information given that was listed on the email that you get when you're FQ-NS the first time. I don't think it matters what division handles your packet as long as your packet gets to the right place, in the right category, on time with all the correct and updated information. 

understandable, but wondering if they let your packet in so late are they that desperate for packets this board?

 

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2 hours ago, Axesteel said:

understandable, but wondering if they let your packet in so late are they that desperate for packets this board?

 

I don't think that's the case ever. There are always more applicants than accepted packets at every board. 

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12 hours ago, Axesteel said:

it says on USAREC page that they dont handle civ packets

 

It means USAREC doesn't handle the Civ submission process (they are in-service), but they receive everything from the recruiting battalions and they board those packets.

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