GUIDANCE TO THE SERVICE OBLIGATION CHANGE FOR ARMY AVIATOR

MisterWhales · August 14, 2020

I just saw that an ALARACT was posted titled "GUIDANCE TO THE SERVICE OBLIGATION CHANGE FOR ARMY AVIATOR".

Unfortunately as a civilian, I don't have access to the PDF. Could anyone post it on here?

The link to the ALARACT: https://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/ALARACT.aspx

Influke · August 14, 2020

EFFECTIVE 01 OCTOBER 2020, ANYONE SELECTED FOR INITIAL ENTRY FLIGHT TRAINING UNDER ARMY REGULATION 611-110 IS SUBJECT TO THE GUIDANCE IN THIS MESSAGE.

4.A. ON OR AFTER 01 OCTOBER 2020, ANYONE SELECTED FOR AND ENTERS INTO INITIAL ENTRY FLIGHT TRAINING TO SERVE IN—

4.A.1. THE REGULAR ARMY, WILL INCUR A 10-YEAR ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE OBLIGATION.

4.A.2. THE SELECTED RESERVE, WILL INCUR A 10-YEAR RESERVE SERVICE OBLIGATION TO REMAIN IN AN ACTIVE STATUS AND SERVE IN AN ARNG OR USAR TOE/TDA TROOP PROGRAM UNIT.

4.B. ANYONE WHO ENTERED INTO A SERVICE AGREEMENT BEFORE 01 OCTOBER 2020 WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT, AND FOR THE PERIOD SPECIFIED IN THE AGREEMENT.

Alice'sRestaurant · August 14, 2020

Awesome! I was selected on the combined March/May board of this year. Shortly after I went to MEPS and signed my contract, news of the 10-year ADSO broke, which was incredibly disheartening. It looks like I'll be keeping the 6-year ADSO seeing as I entered into my service agreement in early June!

Edit: I came across the entire ALARACT and added it below.

ARN30203-ALARACT_0692020-000-WEB-1.pdf

sunyforreal · August 15, 2020

So if I’m understanding this correctly, if I’m selected in the upcoming September board I will incur the 6 year ADSO?

I won’t get my hopes up. But sweeeet.

zaurus · August 15, 2020

Sunyforreal

Your obligation will be written in your contract obviously. You should ask your recruiter how quickly you can sign your contract. You just may be on the last selection board for the 6 year ADSO. Keep the fingers crossed.

sunyforreal · August 15, 2020

I’m currently in. ADSO on the Application for Active Duty was 6 years. That being said I know the Army is allover the place so the fingers are definitely crossed for this one.

Crash7051 · August 16, 2020

For the street to seaters, how long after you got selected did you swear in?... I got selected in July, went to MEPS and signed up for WOCS (prior service, no bootcamp) but did not swear in. They said i swear in on my ship day, which is in Jan.

nil5038 · August 16, 2020

Hm. My contract is currently getting renegotiated to skip WOCS and bct. So as long as I get my contract before 01 oct I should be good I guess

Alice'sRestaurant · August 17, 2020

18 hours ago, Crash7051 said:

For the street to seaters, how long after you got selected did you swear in?... I got selected in July, went to MEPS and signed up for WOCS (prior service, no bootcamp) but did not swear in. They said i swear in on my ship day, which is in Jan.

I was selected on the dual March/May board. I was notified of my selection on June 1 and went to MEPS on June 4. At MEPS I signed my enlistment contract (which gave me my BCT and WOCS date) and swore in that same day.

Seminole · August 20, 2020

On 8/16/2020 at 1:30 PM, Crash7051 said:

For the street to seaters, how long after you got selected did you swear in?... I got selected in July, went to MEPS and signed up for WOCS (prior service, no bootcamp) but did not swear in. They said i swear in on my ship day, which is in Jan.

Selected March, swore in 5 weeks later.

My understanding is that you need to graduate WOCS by the end of this fiscal year to avoid the 10 year ADSO.

I hate to break bad news for yall but per 4.B you’re not signing into a 6 year contract (As a WO1 and 153A) until after you finish your source of commission/appointment.

The Deputy Commandant of the Warrant Officer Career college supplied me with this info. He was nice enough to reach out and get an answer for me when this news first dropped. However, that info is about a month old and they may have changed how this all plays out.

That being said, plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Alice'sRestaurant · August 20, 2020

4 hours ago, Seminole said:

Selected March, swore in 5 weeks later.

My understanding is that you need to graduate WOCS by the end of this fiscal year to avoid the 10 year ADSO.

I hate to break bad news for yall but per 4.B you’re not signing into a 6 year contract (As a WO1 and 153A) until after you finish your source of commission/appointment.

The Deputy Commandant of the Warrant Officer Career college supplied me with this info. He was nice enough to reach out and get an answer for me when this news first dropped. However, that info is about a month old and they may have changed how this all plays out.

That being said, plan for the worst and hope for the best.

In mid July I sent an email to LTC Ralph Ledbetter, as he was the point of contact listed on the "Change to Service Obligation for Army Aviators" memo. I explained my situation in detail to him, and asked if I would be keeping the 6-year ADSO. His response:

"You’ll keep the 6-year ADSO. We have an ALARACT (All Army Activities) memo pending legal review that will give further clarifying guidance.

Good luck with your Army Aviation career. You made a great choice."

I could be wrong, but with his guidance and 4.B of the new ALARACT, it makes me believe that the "service obligation of 72 months incurred upon completion or voluntary termination of flight training" that I signed in my enlistment contract will be honored.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if I will get stuck with the 10-year ADSO. Like you said, plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Seminole · August 21, 2020

I would regard any information from the POC themself as more reputable than any other sources.

I hope everyone gets 6! That being said you seem to have a good mentality about it.

BattlingGravity · August 21, 2020

Yeah, it's going to come down to what they formally consider selected for and entering into. I was selected at the Mar/May board. I won't transfer to the Army till Nov. I'm assuming 10 years for me.

As active duty with 6 in so far, I was assuming that I'll be pushing it to 20 whether 6 or 10. I can't see myself bailing on my high 3 retirement at 14 years TIS, even if I got the 6 year ADSO.