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Greetings,

I am on the cusp of turning my life long dream of becoming a helicopter pilot into a reality. I have saved money for many, many years, had lessons in the past- even got my first class medical certificate earlier this year. In other words, I was all ready to go and do the thing that filled my life with a sense of adventure, gave me purpose. Flying is my absolute passion and there’s nothing else I’d rather do in life...

That is until I was recently pulled over and arrested for speeding. I was taken to the police station, fingerprinted and told I have to attend court. Obviously, I have a lawyer and they seem to be confident it will be pleaded down to a petty speeding ticket. So hopefully I won’t be convicted of the misdemeanor, BUT unfortunately I will now always have an arrest on my record. I do believe it can be sealed/expunged but it’s not guaranteed and you still really can’t say no if a job application asks, “have you EVER been arrested?”.

Also, I should mention my license was suspended over ten years ago. This was for three speeding tickets in one year. But I got my it back on court supervision. And I’ve had an entirely clean license since then and up until this arrest. 

I don’t drink, take drugs and I’ve never been arrested before in my life. The suspension in my teens and recent arrest was purely for speeding, not reckless driving or anything else. I’m not making excuses here or down playing anything, I’m just being clear. 
 

So now I’m extremely worried about my future prospects of being a professional helicopter pilot. Thing is, I’ve already spent over ten years feeling miserable over doing something I’m not very passionate about. I was so excited to finally start my career in the aviation industry. Even if I only get to do it for ten years I’d be absolutely satisfied. But now I’m worried I’ll get out of flight school and my applications for any flying jobs will just get thrown in the garbage. There’s really no getting around the fact that I was arrested and fingerprinted. Even my lawyer said this. 
 

Luckily, my AME said keeping the first class and renewing it won’t be a problem. So at least I can go to flight school and get all my certs. And quite frankly I’d spend my life savings just to get even that experience under my belt. But I’m not so rich or own a business where I don’t need to actively work for a living afterwards. So I’d really appreciate advise on my future prospects in the helicopter industry. And please, pandemic and all other negatives aside! I only say that because I know a lot of pilots will tell aspiring pilots it’s not worth it, the pays not good enough etc etc.

 

I’ve owned up to my mistakes and sorted myself out.  I’ve got to do this though, I’ve got to try. 

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I've never heard of anybody getting arrested for speeding. You must have really been hauling ass: endangering yourself and others. Maybe a time out is not such a bad idea.

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If you were arrested for speeding then it was a reckless driving charge at a minimum. And arrested means, car impounded, booked into jail etc...I've never heard of anyone just getting taken to the jail to be fingerprinted and then released...

But, unless you get charged a felony it won't make a bit of difference, a misdemeanor means nothing to anyone. 

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This all new to me, so officially it is called “aggravated speeding”. And yes, I guess I would have been jailed if I didn’t pay the bail amount. 
 

I’m not sure about other states, but in mine 25mph over the limit is a class b misdemeanor. 
 

Again, no excuses... Just giving you the facts here. 
 

Helonorth, when you say a timeout do you mean I should wait a couple of years before starting my training? 

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I wouldn't really worry about it too much. It's still just a speeding ticket. Now anything alcohol related (convicted or not), you are in a serious bind. Somebody along the line may ask you why you got arrested for a speeding ticket, though. 

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What they said.  You may be asked to explain it later in your career so be ready to articulate why you did what you did.  If you get a good attorney and have no criminal history, they can probably make it go away.  Learn from it and move on.  I would continue training as planned and let this be something that makes you better in the end....

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As the OP said, with a decent lawyer, it probably can be reduced but "go away"? Highly doubtful. I did have a friend that got a careless driving in Louisiana many years ago. He was just starting his career with an offshore job and didn't want something like that on his record. He went to a lawyer in one of the southern parishes and was told it would cost $2,000. He asked what the $2,000 would do for him. Lawyer told him it would magically disappear. Sure enough, it did.

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“I had a fast car, an empty highway, and made a mistake.”

Get a lawyer see what you can get done in the legal system, and move on with your life.

Edited by SBuzzkill

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The elephant is in the room…..

Sure, probably not a problem. However, it appears you have an issue following the rules and not learning from your mistakes. That is; as a juvenile, 3 speeding tickets in a year resulting in a suspension and now this ticket leading to an arrest…. The aviation business won’t tolerate this kind of behavior…. Therefore, I wouldn’t worry so much about the tickets. Worry about your ability to change your behavior…..

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On 9/11/2020 at 3:57 PM, Bonjing said:

Greetings,

I am on the cusp of turning my life long dream of becoming a helicopter pilot into a reality. I have saved money for many, many years, had lessons in the past- even got my first class medical certificate earlier this year. In other words, I was all ready to go and do the thing that filled my life with a sense of adventure, gave me purpose. Flying is my absolute passion and there’s nothing else I’d rather do in life...

That is until I was recently pulled over and arrested for speeding. I was taken to the police station, fingerprinted and told I have to attend court. Obviously, I have a lawyer and they seem to be confident it will be pleaded down to a petty speeding ticket. So hopefully I won’t be convicted of the misdemeanor, BUT unfortunately I will now always have an arrest on my record. I do believe it can be sealed/expunged but it’s not guaranteed and you still really can’t say no if a job application asks, “have you EVER been arrested?”.

Also, I should mention my license was suspended over ten years ago. This was for three speeding tickets in one year. But I got my it back on court supervision. And I’ve had an entirely clean license since then and up until this arrest. 

I don’t drink, take drugs and I’ve never been arrested before in my life. The suspension in my teens and recent arrest was purely for speeding, not reckless driving or anything else. I’m not making excuses here or down playing anything, I’m just being clear. 
 

So now I’m extremely worried about my future prospects of being a professional helicopter pilot. Thing is, I’ve already spent over ten years feeling miserable over doing something I’m not very passionate about. I was so excited to finally start my career in the aviation industry. Even if I only get to do it for ten years I’d be absolutely satisfied. But now I’m worried I’ll get out of flight school and my applications for any flying jobs will just get thrown in the garbage. There’s really no getting around the fact that I was arrested and fingerprinted. Even my lawyer said this. 
 

Luckily, my AME said keeping the first class and renewing it won’t be a problem. So at least I can go to flight school and get all my certs. And quite frankly I’d spend my life savings just to get even that experience under my belt. But I’m not so rich or own a business where I don’t need to actively work for a living afterwards. So I’d really appreciate advise on my future prospects in the helicopter industry. And please, pandemic and all other negatives aside! I only say that because I know a lot of pilots will tell aspiring pilots it’s not worth it, the pays not good enough etc etc.

 

I’ve owned up to my mistakes and sorted myself out.  I’ve got to do this though, I’ve got to try. 

I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Do what you can to get it expunged. An arrest record may be a DQ for some job opportunities, but certainly not all. 

You’d be surprised how many helicopter pilots have had a DUI or other legal issues. 

Best advice I have is to always be honest if it comes up in an interview, and own up to your mistakes. And check the applicable box on 18v during your FAA medical app when it’s up for renewal. Don’t lie to the FAA on this; they will find it during your driver record check and deny your medical if you do not disclose loss of driving privileges. 

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DQ for which job opportunities? 
 

I’ve heard the airline industry frowns a lot more on any arrest records... that’s why I wanted clarification on the helicopter industry. 

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26 minutes ago, Bonjing said:

DQ for which job opportunities? 
 

I’ve heard the airline industry frowns a lot more on any arrest records... that’s why I wanted clarification on the helicopter industry. 

I wouldn’t plan on getting a job with law enforcement.

Other than that, I’m not aware of any civilian companies that as a matter of policy automatically DQ for an arrest / drivers license suspension. But it is possible that someone, somewhere will frown upon it and deem it as a no-go for hiring.

And you are correct about the major airlines being much more rigid than the helicopter industry. Even something like a recent minor speeding ticket can be a problem. Regional airlines, not so much.

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No one will ever really care about speeding tickets or parking tickets.  In the US, highway patrolman and state troopers are little more than glorified "meter maids" and the fines merely serve as an income stream.

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5 hours ago, RisePilot said:

No one will ever really care about speeding tickets or parking tickets.  In the US, highway patrolman and state troopers are little more than glorified "meter maids" and the fines merely serve as an income stream.

Yeah, well one of those "meter maids" took him to jail and he's looking at some consequences but thanks for your input. 

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HeloNorth, I don't work in aviation; I work in international and cross-border finance and all my career have had full background checks and due diligence performed on me.

I also lived in the US for near 20 years when I was younger and had my drivers licence revoked several times for speeding (not taking pride in that; just noting I'm familiar with the situation).  I too have been arrested and taken into custody (I was driving very fast).

Noting the above, no one has ever even mentioned my speeding tickets/arrest.

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To me, cost several hundred dollars and took an hour or so out my day.

To him, resulted in a full internal affairs investigation from the states capital and a personal censure.  I can only assume he was less of a dick the next time he was handed a European driver’s licence on a traffic stop.

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Been there  Rise 😎  but mine looked at his No2 & said "I new this would happen one Day" as he handed My UK licence back & explained you did not stop in the centre reservation on dual carriageway, think he could see a lot of paperwork

PS 

I am always polite to policemen they can seriously impact your day

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This was around the time of the BP oil spill in the Gulf and I suppose this guy had something against Brits and just "lost it".

Like you, I've also had several other occasions where they look at the license front & back and you can see in their eyes they're thinking "this is not worth the trouble". 

I'm always calm/polite as I know they can't take my licence, they can't make my insurance go up, so give me a ticket if you wish and I'll be on my way.  My wife always said they're going to put you in jail one day - she was right.

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On 9/15/2020 at 4:16 AM, RisePilot said:

To me, cost several hundred dollars and took an hour or so out my day.

To him, resulted in a full internal affairs investigation from the states capital and a personal censure.  I can only assume he was less of a dick the next time he was handed a European driver’s licence on a traffic stop.

Funny how the story evolved from you having had your license revoked several times for speeding and was "going very fast" to "the cop got in big trouble for arresting me for breaking the law". What did the cop do wrong? You left out the best part!

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