Brianmech72 Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Only $300,000? Wow, I'll take two. I'm starting to wonder if I'll be able to afford the pedal powered one we talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Will they pay for a 4000 hour or more TBO that they will never reach? Great point... But since the "other" 2 place helicopter is life limited for 12 years it may be well worth it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rookie101 Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 It doesn't even look like I'll be able to fit into that little cockpit, I fit snuggly into a double-deuce as is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 It doesn't even look like I'll be able to fit into that little cockpit, I fit snuggly into a double-deuce as is Rookie...If I can fit into the 22 anyone can !- 6-5 and 238, and yes, thats me flying solo in the R22 photo..just to prove I can fit ! Goldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rookie101 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Rookie...If I can fit into the 22 anyone can !- 6-5 and 238, and yes, thats me flying solo in the R22 photo..just to prove I can fit ! Goldy I didn't say I couldn't fit in the 22, I do- in a snug way. I just don't think I, and you for that matter, can fit in that little Cabri cockpit. (Me= 6' 2", 170 lbs. so I can't complain as much as Goldy ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 I didn't say I couldn't fit in the 22, I do- in a snug way. I just don't think I, and you for that matter, can fit in that little Cabri cockpit. (Me= 6' 2", 170 lbs. so I can't complain as much as Goldy ) Rookie- you pay for half the rental and we'll go fly around in one and see if we both fit ! I'll bet with the 3 blade rotor system, lightweight frame AND a 0-360 engine, it could probably lift 450-500 lbs in the cockpit plus fuel. I like the manueverability in the video....you wont see me in a R22 doing that stuff ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanic Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 I have a subscription to Trade A Plane and watch Barnstormers as well as Controller. I see R22's new from $188-225K, 300 CBI's from $270-320K. So, I don't think the Cabri would be over priced at around $300K, esp if the rotorhead is a safe as it looks on the video. I am thinking the rotorhead is an elastomeric type??? It might also be the reason Mr. Robinson has lost interest in the R22 as well as other known limits of the 22. The Cabri looks to have Great potential! But, time will tell the story... Blue Skies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hell-a-copter Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Just please dont copy robinson and have a teter bar cyclic. That system truly scares instructors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niftyben Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 There is nothing wrong with the teeter bar cyc. It is a little wierd, but other than that I've had NO problems with it. When I fly my friend's Alouette II I am a little wierded out; the cyc doesn't move when he takes it. How bizarre, straight sticks! Hmph! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrose Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Here is the AK1-3 Ptarmigan. Arrives in the USA May 2007. Will plan to have a US powerplant in a year. www.ptarmigan-heli.com This is a true professional built helicopter. Titanium fittings, carbon fiber cabin, glass blades, heavy gearboxes, not a Mattel part in it. This will set a new standard in 2 place with a 4 place on the way. This ship will maintain a turn @ 45 deg, climb@1750 ft/min and handles turbulance perfectly. Roomy cabin, utility capable. Autos nice. MROSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brushfire21 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I will give it a thumbs up, at least from what I read and saw! Looks very very similiar to a S300...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanic Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 This is a true professional built helicopter. mrose, Will this heli be in kit form or will the factory assemble it? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerhardt Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 the website says available only as a kit package, experimental category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepper Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 experimental category. at 135,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pokey Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 This is Russian, no? Thanks to Madeline Albright, if it meets Russian criteria? automatically type certificated in US. Guy here has 3 low wing Russian seaplanes, built like a tank. Parts availability?-doesnt exist, wait months for parts,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67november Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 this bird will remain experimental due to the powerplant, the FAA will not certify it. it's a modified SAAB automotive engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pokey Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 this bird will remain experimental due to the powerplant, the FAA will not certify it. it's a modified SAAB automotive engine. Maybe ole Madeline only reciprocated w/ the Russians on part 23 & forgot about 27? I sure hope so, as the airplanes are bad enough w/ out it carrying over to helicopters too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesp Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 It has a Subaru engine. By the way. The whole thing looks really great (especially the main rotor system) Only downfall is the engine. Should have fitted a diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2rst1 Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 You should check out the Smartcopter website @ www.smartcopter.aero or www.smartcopter.com It is a small 2 seater with a 190SHP turbine, fully articulated rotor system a fenstron and it has a cruise speed of around 120Kts. I think it looks a little like a tiny EC120 (combined with the EXEC 162F) 2rst1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrose Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 mrose, Will this heli be in kit form or will the factory assemble it? Regards Hi Mechanic, ( I am an A&P also) The catagory must be experimental Kit to get the most operational legal use. But you can build hours in it, use it on your own property in any function you want. Mine will have a hook and ski's all factory engineered and approved. Lot's of comments on the Subaru from the forum. In researching this I found out that it is the engine of choice for gyrocopters world-wide (hundreds) and is installed in over 1000 fixed wing in the US/Canada. I spoke with the #1 Subaru dealer in the US service mgr and he said he has never seen one fail in a car. Overheat from a water leak, out of oil etc..ofcourse but no thrown belts rods, dropped valves or fails. Amazing when they have a million driving around! FAA informed me the 2.5 was originally made for aircraft by Subaru after WWII, didn't sell many so they put 4 wheels on it. The car racers get 400 HP out of it for a few hours. The 165 is a rating based on +25C not +15 as US engines are rated. Has a great torgue curve in the low RPM, I like that. I agree the jury is still out - it's a helicopter. Most of my heli riding is in Turbomeca, but if I monitor the 2.5 and use it by the book I don't expect any issues. At least I won't get killed from forgeting the carb heat or mixture as many people have. MROSE www.ptarmigan-heli.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flingwing206 Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 ...if I monitor the 2.5 and use it by the book I don't expect any issues. At least I won't get killed from forgeting the carb heat or mixture as many people have.My only concern any time an engine is converted from auto, motorcycle, or snowmobile use is that the engine was not designed to run at high power/high RPM for most of its life. "By the book" for a small-car engine is high power around 11% of the time, full power less than 7%, most time spent delivering between 10 - 50 HP at 1800 - 3500 RPM. If only Lycoming made a liquid-cooled, fuel-injected, solid-state ignition 320... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrose Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 My only concern any time an engine is converted from auto, motorcycle, or snowmobile use is that the engine was not designed to run at high power/high RPM for most of its life. "By the book" for a small-car engine is high power around 11% of the time, full power less than 7%, most time spent delivering between 10 - 50 HP at 1800 - 3500 RPM. If only Lycoming made a liquid-cooled, fuel-injected, solid-state ignition 320... All the Subaru powered gyro's and F/W (about 2000 min.) don't fall into automobile catagory. The 2.5 motor was originally designed for aircraft the FAA tells me. It is capable of sustianing 400HP and maintaining 300 in all day races. The 320 is a good motor but that didn't help the people killed in carb ice related failures. So my point is with some extra care in metal detection and proper service it looks to be a good bet, but time will tell. I can install a new dymo'ed, test celled engine every 500 hours for the price of 1 new 320 cyl! I also know of a new turboprop 30 pass+ FADEC everything motor that is failing without warning (very inside info so don't ask). I am working toward a new US motor for the future, but am not sure that will make me feel safer flying around with FAA cert. sticker proto #3 motor behind me. Remember the 101! Thanks for your concern for safe engines, all the best MROSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanic Posted December 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 Hey, I have been doing some more snooping and ran across these links. The pics are great, close ups on the ground…. The pprune thread said the Cabri is supposed to start production in 06'? Pics Good read on PPRUNE more pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyNHighNFast Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 That was a great video, and looking at the pictures on the other site it looks like the cockpit is comparable in size to the R22. I would love to get my hands on one of those, if it became available here in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrose Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Ptarmigan update; On the Ptarmigan AK1-3 (www.ptarmigan-heli.com) we have signed an agreement with Thielert to commence an OEM installation of the FAA certified 1.7 multifuel turbodeisel in the AK1-3 next year, pending preliminary engineering. This engine is now a factory option on the C-172, circa 2007. Fuel burn will go from 10GPH to 6, 135HP flat performance curve to 8000 ft+. If this works out we should have a nice ship on our hands ready to let the FAA take a hard look at in 18 months (we will pound it hard for a year first). Regards to all- MROSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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