Starting my WOFT packet

June 2, 2006

Hi everyone, newbie to the boards here.

I'm 28yrs old with a engineering technology bachelor's (3.4 gpa) and have been working with the Department of Energy for the past 4.5 years. There is a retired Major General who I work with that has encouraged me to apply for WOFT—he flew helis for over 20 years with the Army.

I talked with Joe Howell and he told me that I would have to go through a recruiter to get the packet process started. Following his instruction I proceeded to the local recruiter (Oak Ridge, TN) and spoke with SFC Nabors. My hopes were then shot down immediately as he said there was no way they would select a civilian. He recommends going enlisted as a heli mechanic and then putting in my packet for WOFT.

Is this the normal instructed response that recruiters give?

Do I actually have a shot at WOFT given I do well on the exams?

Is there a better selection rate for civilians in the reserves?

Do I have a better shot if I get a comission first, then put in for flight school?

I have many more questions, but these core questions will at least put me in the right direction. Thanks for the help!

June 2, 2006

Hi everyone, newbie to the boards here.

I'm 28yrs old with a engineering technology bachelor's (3.4 gpa) and have been working with the Department of Energy for the past 4.5 years. There is a retired Major General who I work with that has encouraged me to apply for WOFT—he flew helis for over 20 years with the Army.

I talked with Joe Howell and he told me that I would have to go through a recruiter to get the packet process started. Following his instruction I proceeded to the local recruiter (Oak Ridge, TN) and spoke with SFC Nabors. My hopes were then shot down immediately as he said there was no way they would select a civilian. He recommends going enlisted as a heli mechanic and then putting in my packet for WOFT.

Is this the normal instructed response that recruiters give?

Do I actually have a shot at WOFT given I do well on the exams?

Is there a better selection rate for civilians in the reserves?

Do I have a better shot if I get a comission first, then put in for flight school?

I have many more questions, but these core questions will at least put me in the right direction. Thanks for the help!

From the Army:

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/WOcivilian.html

It states you can be civilian.

And you probably already saw this:

http://www.goarmy.com/about/warrant_officer.jsp

AND, you get $10,000 bonus if you complete training!

http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/money_bonuses.jsp

"Soldiers who enlist for and complete Warrant Officer Flight School (WOFT) in an eligible Area of Concentration may qualify for a bonus of up to $10,000."

June 3, 2006

I talked with Joe Howell and he told me that I would have to go through a recruiter to get the packet process started. Following his instruction I proceeded to the local recruiter (Oak Ridge, TN) and spoke with SFC Nabors. My hopes were then shot down immediately as he said there was no way they would select a civilian. He recommends going enlisted as a heli mechanic and then putting in my packet for WOFT.

Is this the normal instructed response that recruiters give?

Find yourself another recruiter.

June 3, 2006

I agree with the above.

Civilians get selected all the time for Warrant Officer selections. It's not the route I recommend, but it works for many people.

Crewchiefs have no better chance of getting selected then any other MOS in the Army also. So if you do decide to enilst, don't feel that doing that would be a plus either.

Tell your recruiter that 2 out of 5 new pilots I see and train when they get to the unit are "high school to flight school" candidates.

Good luck

June 3, 2006

Tell your recruiter that 2 out of 5 new pilots I see and train when they get to the unit are "high school to flight school" candidates.

I didn't realize it was such a high number!?

rkthron, yeah, I was a little brief, but in general, recruiters only get credit for enlisting people, not for officers or WOs

June 5, 2006

Hi everyone, newbie to the boards here.

I'm 28yrs old with a engineering technology bachelor's (3.4 gpa) and have been working with the Department of Energy for the past 4.5 years. There is a retired Major General who I work with that has encouraged me to apply for WOFT—he flew helis for over 20 years with the Army.

I talked with Joe Howell and he told me that I would have to go through a recruiter to get the packet process started. Following his instruction I proceeded to the local recruiter (Oak Ridge, TN) and spoke with SFC Nabors. My hopes were then shot down immediately as he said there was no way they would select a civilian. He recommends going enlisted as a heli mechanic and then putting in my packet for WOFT.

Is this the normal instructed response that recruiters give?

Do I actually have a shot at WOFT given I do well on the exams?

Is there a better selection rate for civilians in the reserves?

Do I have a better shot if I get a comission first, then put in for flight school?

I have many more questions, but these core questions will at least put me in the right direction. Thanks for the help!

Mr Howell is a great source for information. I am just at the end of the entire application/board process and have spoken with him a number of times to clarify stuff that my local recruiter was not too sure of.

Your recruiter is either a) misinformed or lazy. You can absolutely apply and civilian applications are often selected. More than likely, it's laziness. The entire application process as a civilian is very long and complicated and requires a lot more work than simply enlisting you. Recruiters actually get a lot more points for putting someone in WOFT than they do for simply enlisting someone (so says my recruiter). However, enlistment is practically guaranteed in comparison and all they really need to do is some paperwork and get you to MEPS a couple times, whereas in WOFT there are a lot more variables, a lot more driving around for boards, Flight Physicals, and it's hardly guaranteed. It's competitive, whereas enlisting is not.

Without knowing your entire background, I would think that having a BS with a good GPA is a great start for the WOFT process. Plus, a letter of recommendation from the Major General couldn't hurt!

Get yourself a new recruiter. Best of luck to you!

June 6, 2006

Thanks everyone for a boost of confidence. I have a pretty good talent for reading through the lines. The recruiter's story seemed strange to me considering the army is printing hundreds-of-thousands of dollars in brochures advertising the program (I'm very familiar with the GPO as I work for DOE). I'm going to talk with another recruiter who will take me serious—and if he doesn't I'll find another one that does.

On that note, If anyone has the info for a recruiter they are using/used that was helpful please let me know. If I can't find one locally I'm willing to fly to meet one that will help. Southeastern area would be most convenient for me, but I'm willing to go wherever—I live in Tennessee.

Thanks again! I'm sure I'll have many more questions as I work through the process.

June 7, 2006

Thanks everyone for a boost of confidence. I have a pretty good talent for reading through the lines. The recruiter's story seemed strange to me considering the army is printing hundreds-of-thousands of dollars in brochures advertising the program (I'm very familiar with the GPO as I work for DOE). I'm going to talk with another recruiter who will take me serious—and if he doesn't I'll find another one that does.

On that note, If anyone has the info for a recruiter they are using/used that was helpful please let me know. If I can't find one locally I'm willing to fly to meet one that will help. Southeastern area would be most convenient for me, but I'm willing to go wherever—I live in Tennessee.

Thanks again! I'm sure I'll have many more questions as I work through the process.

If things really get to be a pain in the ass trying to find a recruiter there to help you, let me know. I am the third WOFT applicant my office here in Richmond, VA has processed in a year. So far the other two have been accepted, so they definitely know the process. At a minimum, you can call this office and they can talk you through some of the crap to get you off on the right foot. However, I hope you can find someone local who can help you out.

June 13, 2006

Hey guys,

I'm a Staff Sergeant (E-6) in the Army following the route you guys are taking.

After reading about that recruiter - RUN RUN RUN. That's incredibly lame and lazy. Yes, it's much easier to enlist you as Aircrew and to skip over the WOFT packet. That's a time-intensive piece of work. Letters of recommendation, all the forms, the physical, resume, etc. To enlist you as aircrew is a simple trip to MEPS. If that guy won't help you, talk to the ranking recruiter in the office. Someone will help you. The Army is starving for personnel.

I can imagine in being difficult for civilians to complete. Being in the Army it was incredibly difficult. I had to start the medical portion over because half of it was completed while I was serving in Iraq. I had to beg for 3 months just to go to the Balad, Iraq Education center just to test out. I was met with much resistance because I was "abandoning" my enlisted career. I would hardly call it that, but..whatever.

I've spent the last 3 months whining, begging and pleading with people to help me out - and it's almost over! I'm awaiting my physical from Aeromedical in Ft. Rucker and I'll be turning in my packet.

I was lucky enough to befried several helo pilots in Iraq and was even more fortunate in that I was given some flight time in an Oh-58D Kiowa Warrior. With their help I hope I am competitive.

Regarding the "high school to flight school" gimmick - I don't know how true that really is. I've only heard stories through pilots of the "guy in their class". Nobody had ever heard of more than one guy utilizing that program.

June 21, 2006

Hey guys,

I'm a Staff Sergeant (E-6) in the Army following the route you guys are taking.

After reading about that recruiter - RUN RUN RUN. That's incredibly lame and lazy. Yes, it's much easier to enlist you as Aircrew and to skip over the WOFT packet. That's a time-intensive piece of work. Letters of recommendation, all the forms, the physical, resume, etc. To enlist you as aircrew is a simple trip to MEPS. If that guy won't help you, talk to the ranking recruiter in the office. Someone will help you. The Army is starving for personnel.

I can imagine in being difficult for civilians to complete. Being in the Army it was incredibly difficult. I had to start the medical portion over because half of it was completed while I was serving in Iraq. I had to beg for 3 months just to go to the Balad, Iraq Education center just to test out. I was met with much resistance because I was "abandoning" my enlisted career. I would hardly call it that, but..whatever.

I've spent the last 3 months whining, begging and pleading with people to help me out - and it's almost over! I'm awaiting my physical from Aeromedical in Ft. Rucker and I'll be turning in my packet.

I was lucky enough to befried several helo pilots in Iraq and was even more fortunate in that I was given some flight time in an Oh-58D Kiowa Warrior. With their help I hope I am competitive.
Regarding the "high school to flight school" gimmick - I don't know how true that really is. I've only heard stories through pilots of the "guy in their class". Nobody had ever heard of more than one guy utilizing that program.

I have a good friend from high school that went through the process from start to finish. He did the "Street to Seat" program with a mere AS Degree from a community college. It is very possible. I am in the process of completing a WOFT packet as well. I have a very honest recriuter that is willing to take me from start to finish. I just took my AFAST today. *Crossing my Fingers* I should get my results back in a few days.

Here is the entire e-mail that my good friend wrote me when I told him that I wanted to apply for WOFT.

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Hey Andy whats up... OK from the beginning. I went into the recruiter and said I wanted to fly warrant. I said I didnt want to enlist first, I didnt want to go commissioned, I wanted to be straight Street to Seat as they say. I got some BS from there until I made it damn clear what was up then they started workin with me. For me since I failed my vision test it was a long process. I had to get eye surgery to see well enough so that added about a year to my app process, all in all taking about 18 months from start to shipout. Without delays (good f*ckin luck) you could apply and ship within 2 months, figure its gonna take a few more months. Also, if you want to fly helicopters the Armys program is the best, I looked at goin to other branches also and for helis the Armys program cant be beat. Also, its the only military program where you dont need a 4 year college degree to apply as a Warrant.

The first thing to do is take your asvab. You need an overall score of 50 but try for around a 90. You can study for your asvab by reading a SAT prep book. You usually goto VAFB to take the ASVAB. You also need a GT score of 110 and anything over 120 is competitive. As for the AFAST, its the Armys Flight Aptitude Selection Test and you should study, you need a 90 minimum. Anything over a 120 is competitive. Pickup the ARCO Military Flight Aptitude Tests book. It has some practice tests so go over those. Also, goto the library and pickup a basic helicopter flight theory book. You dont have to get too intense into the theory sh*t but at least understand some basics of how a heli flys and what the controls do. And unless something has changed, you do NOT have to goto Fort Irwin for the AFAST test, you can goto LA MEPS. You are gonna get damn familiar w/ LA MEPS, I went like 5 times for all my stuff. The only time you should need to goto Fort Irwin is for your Flight physical.

OK now after the ASVAB and the AFAST, youll have to goto MEPS for a basic physical. Then after all this previous sh*t is done you goto Fort Irwin for your flight physical. If all your sh*t is good upto this point then you take a basic PT test. Run 1 mile, do pushups and sit-ups for 1 min, its all half of what a regular Army PT test is. Your recruiter should drive you to all these places, MEPS, Fort Irwin, etc.

As for recruiters, its a toss up, you dont know. I lucked out and got a great recruiter but unfortunately she got restationed in Alaska so I cant hook you up. Not too many recruiters know how to put in a Warrant flight packet so I did A LOT of research on my own. I looked up requirements, talked to Army pilots I knew, and read many message boards online. Most people have no idea about recruiters, especially for the warrant program. Recruiters actually get fewer points for Warrants then if we just enlisted and they have to do a lot more work to put in a warrant packet. So if you got a recruiter willin to help you with a warrant packet they are at least descent. Most people screw themselves, you have to use common sense. If a recruiter tells you to lie about anything, DO NOT do it. DONT lie about police history. DONT lie about medical history. DONT lie about anything AND dont holdback pertinent facts. However, at the same time, dont tell MEPS people everything. Just backup the info on your paperwork. Sometimes people get delayed because during their physicals they act like this doc is their family doc and say like Oh its weird, I keep getting this pain in my chest, could that be bad????? and then they dont know why they got delayed. You also have to get a SECRET security clearance so anything over basic traffic tickets is gonna take a waiver. You dont want to lie here either, think about the future. Some people lie about drug use, some put it down. Youre probably thinking, well if I was never arrested for anything drug related how will they find out. This is how. If in a few years you are thinking about going to a Spec. Ops unit like the 160th Nightstalkers to fly then you need a TOP SECRET clearance. They send investigators to interview anyone you have ever worked with, lived next to, your friends, family, etc. If anyone who knows you tells them that you have used drugs, alcohol problems, etc. that you didnt list on your paper work, you are screwed. The government HATES liars, and wont approve your TS clearance. They do have some tolerance for teenage drugs, stupid sh*t, etc. However if youve done like every drug out there you might want to reconsider. OK enough about all that sh*t, you get my point.

As for life in the Army, its a little different for Aviators. Everyone has this mentality of the Army from an Infantry point of view. Aviation is the most laid back branch there is, its bad ass, its like college in some respects. Goin through training is long hours and lots of school but everyone for the most part is chill, you arent getting constantly chewed out.

Now after getting all that together its time to put in your packet, this is in depth. You have to get 6 letters of recommendation from people you know and preferably pilots, you have to write a resume, you have to write a 1 page essay, get a professional photo, goto a board of officers interview at MEPS, complete a security clearance form, and just fill a bunch of crap out. As for the letters, if you dont know any Active Army pilots then I do. You can contact my dad who is a Fire Captain with Santa Barbara County Fire and runs their Aviation program. They have two Huey's and he has 1 Colonel, 1 Chief Warrant Officer 5, and 2 other pilots that fly for him. My dads name is Curt Warner, you can hit him up at work at 805-693-8481 and leave a message if hes not there, he has f*cked up hours. I told him that you and Bren might need to meet his pilots so he knows you might call. Everyone there is all really cool so feel free to hit them up.

The format for all your packet paperwork is in the packet you can download from the Warrant Officer recruiting site below. The resume I just typed up from the format in the packet. The 6 letters of recommendation I got 3 letters from pilots, 1 letter from an old boss who as also a retired AF pilot, and one letter from my old Scoutmaster. This showed diversification, if you have any teachers that liked you and that you know you can use them. Pretty much what they are lookin for here are people that know you and can vouch for you, preferable in a high position in the community. The military people know the format to type the letter in and the civilian people I just had type a letter following the format included in the packet. The one page essay is about Why you want to be an Army Aviator and it has to be 1 page HANDWRITTEN. However, I had to type it also so you might want to do that. You cant research for this, they just want you to sit-down and write it on your own. I typed mine then spell checked it and read it over a bunch then wrote it out. The photo is a full length photo. I am a cheap bastard so I just put on my suit and had someone take the photo at my house against the wall with our family camera. I took a bunch of photos at different angles and with different looks on my face. I ended up choosing a hard ass lookin foto. My recruiter also looked at the pics and said that one was the best. Just ask your recruiter if you can see a DA photo of someone and take a photo like that. The interview is 10-30 mins and will be 2-8 Army Officers from various branches, they just want to make sure you look and act like military material from an Aviators point of view. The security clearance form is a f*ckin nightmare. You have to list every job, every place youve lived, every school youve gone to, and every f*ckin person youve ever talked to damn near. Haha, now it aint that bad but it takes a while. Hopefully you know all your history about the last 7 years of your life.

Once you complete your packet and your recruiter types it up then sends it out youll have to wait a month or two. A review board meets once a month to accept/deny applicants. If you arent accepted to your first board dont worry, your application is automatically put into next months board. However, if this happens then review and update your application as necessary. Maybe add some sh*t to make you look better like volunteering time or something. If you arent accept the second time then your packet cant be resubmitted for 6 months, I think, they might have done away with that 6 month window. Once you are selected you have 10 days to get down to the MEPS to sign your contract. You wont ship out right then, you will get a shipout date anywhere from a few weeks to a few months later. Then youll ship out to Basic for 9 weeks, then youll get to Fort Rucker here in Alabama. Youll sit on hold for a few weeks possibly, then youll do 6 weeks of Warrant Officer Candidate School, which, has gotten easier and is an officer training school. Weekly tests and all that good sh*t. Then youll become a Warrant Officer and youll do dunker and SERE-C school. Dunker is learning to get the f**k out of a crashed underwater helicopter, its only a couple days and is no big deal. Now SERE-C is a big deal, it stands for Survival Evasion Resistance Escape Level C School. This has just recently been setup for all aviators to go through level C, all aviators use to go through the 1 week level B school. Level C is 3-4 weeks and you become a Prisoner of War. Its really realistic, you sign a waiver for the army to beat you, starve you, etc. You have to escape people chasing you through the forest and they ALWAYS catch you. Then they put you in a mock POW jail and interrogate you. All that said, it is one of the best schools you can do. It teaches you to survive being captured and it tests your mental fortitude. Read Mike Durants book and he talks about how it helped him, see below. They just recently changed the order of SERE-C so I havent gone through it yet, everyone use to go through after flight school but they have changed that for new arrivals but I go after flight school. Then after that you sit on hold for a few months waitin to start flight school. Then you have 10-18 months to finish flight school depending on how backed up everything is and which aircraft you get. Then you goto a unit for a few months and will probably get deployed to the sand box, woohoo.

When you do all this paper work MAKESURE to photo copy everything. You need to have your own copies of everything you turn in. Then take these with you when you ship to basic and only let people photo copy them if they need something. The military is awesome at losing all your f*ckin paper work. The Warrant route youre goin is really rare so no one knows what the hell to do with you so have patience and have your paper work, it simplifies everything. Somewhat haha. Until you get to Fort Rucker you are probably gonna be either the only person (like me) or one of a few who are Warrant Officer Candidates. If you get lucky like me youll end up going through basic at Fort Benning, home of the Infantry and they are gonna love you. My company commander was also nice enough to announce to everyone that out of all 220 people in this company I was the only shitbag Officer candidate and a pilot at that. So ya the Drill Sergeants were stoked about that, haha. Overall though, Basic is a good intro to the army and you learn a lot. If you go through basic in Benning in the summer its gonna be f*ckin HOTTTT. During my basic we had 2 people DIE from being f*ckin retards and not drinkin a quart of water every hour like is required. Its also really humid which is miserable.

Flight school is broken up into Primary, Instruments, Basic Combat Skills, and your Main Aircraft. Primary is 8 weeks and you learn to fly a Jetranger helicopter and you learn abunch of emergency procedures and EVERYTHING about systems of the helicopter. Tons of studin and work. Instruments is boring, is 8 weeks, and you learn to fly using only your instruments, as in really thick fog, no visuals. BCS is 6-8 weeks and you learn basic combat flying and skills. Then you findout which aircraft you got, based on the needs of the Army, your test scores, and you rank in your class. You can choose the Blackhawk UH-60 utility, the Chinook CH-47 cargo heavy lift, AH-64 Apache attack, or the OH-58D Kiowa Scout/Observation jetranger type helicopter.

Ya sure I remember Bren, thats cool that you both want to do this. You should see if you two could go to basic together, if not youll definitely meet up at Fort Rucker. Also, just incase no on has told you, you have a 6 year commitment FROM THE TIME YOU GRADUATE FLIGHT SCHOOL. As in finish your main aircraft and leave rucker. So all in all it comes out to about an 8 year commitment because of basic and flight training taking about 2 years. If anyone tells you anything different THEY ARE WRONG. I read MANY books about Vietnam pilots, flying, and just the army in general before I went in, Make sure that this is what you want to do. The recruiters can tell you what ever they want but this is a long commitment and this is the Army, make sure you know what youre getting into. Its not the civilian side. Because once you get here youre sorta stuck. You know what I mean, nuff said.

As for where Im at. I shipped for basic back in July of 05 and finished basic and shipped to rucker in the end of Sept 05. Then I graduated and became a Warrant in Dec of 05 and was held over for a few months doing stupid detail jobs. I finally started flight school in March. You do the first 2 weeks in the class room, then week 3 is in these big ass really expensive and really worthless simulators, then the last 8 weeks are spent flying a TH-67 aka a Jetranger. I am almost done with primary, only 2 weeks before I check (graduate primary). Then its immediately onto instruments. You have 2 solo days and I have already done both of them, the first one is hour and the second is 1 hour. Learnin to hover is a bitch and pisses you off but EVERYONE eventually learns to hover. I can fly the heli by myself now, and if you can fly a jetranger you can fly anything damn near. The jetranger is EXTREMELY sensitive to control inputs and doesnt have any computers compensating for subtle movements like the Blackhawk, Apache, etc. So you really have to work at learning to fly this thing but you get it. So ya its an awesome time and hell I'm getting paid to fly helicopters, something that would cost thousands in the civilian sector. Plus the army has the BEST helicopter pilots out there and all these instructor pilots have on average 8000 hours, thats a f*ckin lot. One IP has like 20000 plus hours. Most these guys are crusty Vietnam vets who use to fly Huey's. Most of em are cool as sh*t and have crazy stories.

Also, just thought of this, if you are thinking about getting a 4 year degree and becoming a Commissioned Officer compared to going straight in as a Warrant Officer you have to decide. Do you want to command troops or fly a lot. At first its the same for both sides however after a few years warrant officers keep flying more hours where as commissioned fly less and take on command of more people. A warrant officer is a technical specialist. A commissioned officer is a generalist.

NOTE: ALL THIS INFO IS WHAT I HAD TO DO, THE ARMY IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING, YOU MIGHT ENCOUNTER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU SHOULD VERIFY ALL THIS STUFF WHEN YOU ARE APPLYING.

Links:

Warrant Officer recruiting homepage, click on Civilian Apps on the left (you can also download your entire packet from here but your recruiter should do that for you):

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/

Read Mike Durants book In the Company of Heroes, its an awesome book. He is the pilot shot down that survived in Blackhawk Down, then he was captured and became a POW for 2 weeks, its his whole story. It also talks about life in the Army as an Aviator.

Pretty good forum with a lot of current, retired, and wannabe aviators.

http://forums.military.com

Well sh*t I guess 5 pages is enough info for now, haha, I gotta get to studying, feel free to ask anything else.

Good luck

Brent

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I hope that this helps give you a little more insight. I know it helped me!

Good Luck.

February 2, 2008

I am currently in the process of getting back into the military. I was formerly on active duty and am now trying to get into the National Guard. I was medically separated (minor shoulder injury) when I was active duty, so I was not able to finish my WOFT packet. Now I want to enter the N.G. and get into a flight slot. My main problem getting back into the service is that I received a knee injury in the civi world and now have two screws in it. My surgery report is at the CMO right now being reviewed. That is what is holding me up right now.

The next thing is getting into a board. I am currently working on my civi Helicopter instrument rating, as I am looking to fly for a living, so the flying part is not the problem. I would prefer to fly for the military but will do it in the civilian world if that route is not possible. The only other concern I have right now is that my hearing is not exactly perfect. It was bad (only in the high freq. range, from what the little box test tells me) when I was separated from active duty and has become a little worst now. Does anyone have an info on my chances of getting into WOFT with my hearing like it is? I know one of the instructors at our flight school had the same problem and went to see a specialist. There, they told him it was fine, although his was about half as bad as my hearing! Any suggestions about how I should go about this process of returning to the service would be helpful also!

I too am interested in getting as much information as possible about the WOFT program and what is involved in the process. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Good luck to all who are on the same path of becoming an Army Aviator! You can contact me directly through e-mail along with this site. sshelo1@comcast.net

August 11, 2015

Hi I'm new to this whole community and was hoping some vets could offer some advice on what skills I would need to have a competitive woft packet. Im in my junior year of high school so I have some time to build my resume. I want to apply on the civilian side unless it's an ultra slim chance.

Is college a necessity to be competitive?

I've got good grades. Im an athlete. And I'm an eagle scout. Just wondering what more I can do.

August 21, 2015

Jay-D,

Keep reading/ searching the forum, the info is there. Find a more recent thread than this one. Many have asked and been answered.

Congrats on Eagle Scout. Has helped me in many boards and job interviews.

August 21, 2015

You all read that too? Guy took a 1-1-1 APFT? Good for him if he was that lucky. Anyone else take a 1-1-1? I thought we needed the full 2-2-2

August 24, 2015

Jay,

The info you're looking for has been posted several times in the past.

The short version, for several reasons you'll find posted in the archives here, I highly recommend planning on completing at least your associates degree before applying for WOFT. The two years you'll have to wait is offset by the options, maturity, and credibility you'll gain in that time. Just my opinion.

Mike-

August 28, 2015

I hate for this to be my first post, but your responses to Jay's thread resurrection have to be the nicest I've ever seen on the internet. I've been lurking around and researching like crazy the last few weeks, and your responses have made me feel welcome by proxy. Was totally expecting flames, couldn't have been more opposite.