we train fat people!!!!!

[mattcob]

just wanted to say that recently i have heard how tough it is for people who are over weight considerably to become pilots, well we will glady train all the larger element of society at our school and we have the equipment to do it!!!!!! at a jolly reasonable cost!!

 

my boss is a big ole boy and he can fly our allouettes like a ferrari!!!

 

give me a shout if your interested

 

all the best

 

mattcob

[dlo]

matt,.

 

how much, what heli and where

 

 

thnx, jp

[Sparks]

Same Q.

[bossman]

Same Q.

Alouette 3130, West Virginia, $300.00 per. hr.

[PhotoFlyer]

Alouette 3130, West Virginia, $300.00 per. hr.

 

bossman and mattcob,

 

If you would like to advertise on this site I would suggest paying for it, like our other advertisers. The rates are not unreasonable. Any further advertising will be removed, and your posting privileges will be revoked.

 

--PF

[67november]

bossman and mattcob,

 

If you would like to advertise on this site I would suggest paying for it, like our other advertisers. The rates are not unreasonable. Any further advertising will be removed, and your posting privileges will be revoked.

 

--PF

 

 

He is paying for it.

 

Mattcob ya need to refrane as your company is represented on the right side banner

[PhotoFlyer]

He is paying for it.

 

Mattcob ya need to refrane as your company is represented on the right side banner

 

My mistake, however, I should point out that advertising is always more effective when the name of ones business is included. Therefore, everybody will know who you are, and you will not have your posting privileges revoked. And as 67november said, please refrain, as you are represented. Although, I still don't know who you are...

 

--PF

[500E]

Not quite on topic.

My personal take is if Bossman is paying for banner ad then his posts are ok,

But there should be a note on his & Mattcob saying what the conection is to the training facility.

The down side for them is if they are not up to their promises at least all know who they are and can address them personaly on the site.

If ALL persons with a commercial interest did this I wonder who would pop up?!!!

[bossman]

My mistake, however, I should point out that advertising is always more effective when the name of ones business is included. Therefore, everybody will know who you are, and you will not have your posting privileges revoked. And as 67november said, please refrain, as you are represented. Although, I still don't know who you are...

 

--PF

Photo,

The name of my business is included in the banner ad on this page. Matt was responding to questions about us full figured guys and where and with what we could train. I responded to a question as to what aircraft and the location and the cost. I see nothing wrong with responding to a question. I specifically did not mention the name of my facility to try and keep from advertising in the forum. As for knowing who we are all you have to do is ask.

Mike Holbrook

MARPAT Aviation

Logan County Airport (6L4)

Logan, WV. 25601

304-752-0094 hanger

304-784-1027 cell

304-752-0097 fax

304-784-5944 chief pilot

304-784-1973 maint.

www.marpataviation.com

 

 

Not quite on topic.

My personal take is if Bossman is paying for banner ad then his posts are ok,

But there should be a note on his & Mattcob saying what the conection is to the training facility.

The down side for them is if they are not up to their promises at least all know who they are and can address them personaly on the site.

If ALL persons with a commercial interest did this I wonder who would pop up?!!!

500,

Where does the note go? I have no objection. We are up to all our promises. Matt is a flight instructor that works for us. He was only responding to questions about us larger guys and where we could train. If you need for me to say that I own MARPAT Aviation, then I do.

Bossman

 

 

He is paying for it.

 

Mattcob ya need to refrane as your company is represented on the right side banner

67,

What does Matt need to refrain from? He was only answering a question about us larger guys and where we could train. You are almost telling him not to post about anything he knows about. I see nothing wrong with his posts. It's not advertising, it's talking.

bossman

[67november]

67,

What does Matt need to refrain from? He was only answering a question about us larger guys and where we could train. You are almost telling him not to post about anything he knows about. I see nothing wrong with his posts. It's not advertising, it's talking.

bossman

 

If there was a question posted prior to his on this thread, I wouldn't have said anything, It appeared to me as a little to self-promoting, I made no attempt to edit the post just didn't want it to get out of hand.

[dlo]

If there was a question posted prior to his on this thread, I wouldn't have said anything, It appeared to me as a little to self-promoting, I made no attempt to edit the post just didn't want it to get out of hand.

 

 

matt, was responding to my post, titled "ya, I'm fat ok"" I was concerned with my weight and what options I had, he started a new thread to answer my question I guess, as he was the last poster in my thread titled "ya, I'm fat ok" so there was a question on the table about where I could train and for what cost, specificly to matt cobb. thanks jp

[bossman]

matt, was responding to my post, titled "ya, I'm fat ok"" I was concerned with my weight and what options I had, he started a new thread to answer my question I guess, as he was the last poster in my thread titled "ya, I'm fat ok" so there was a question on the table about where I could train and for what cost, specificly to matt cobb. thanks jp

dlo,

Thanks for clearing that up. Some of these guys get their panties in a wad at times.

bossman

[500E]

Hey I am on your side BM my comment was more to address FF if you pay for banner Add your post ok! But perhaps there should be a note you are an interested party to your reply, not just the average poster.

I was not sugesting you did not fulfill promises but there are posters out there who are not as up front as you.

Not every one has been on the site long enough to know who you are, again personaly I would rather know that you are the owner than not.

As I am in based in UK perhaps I have a diferent slant on the posts.

[Guest pokey]

Noticing the title of this thread i just have to ask,,,,,, When training "fat people", do you charge by the pound?

[bossman]

Noticing the title of this thread i just have to ask,,,,,, When training "fat people", do you charge by the pound?

Pokey,

If we charged by the pound I could not afford to fly.

bossman

[joker]

OK, seeing as this thread has been hijacked already, I'm going to pitch in!

 

1. IN THIS CASE I see nothing wrong essentially with the way that Matt and Bossman responded initially. They didn't mention the training establishment when asked where, how much and what aircraft.

 

2. HOWEVER, I do have a couple of niggles which make me cringe when I read some of Bossman's posts. Matt's have been less 'in-your-face' so far.

 

a) Was it necessary to start a new thread if he was responding to a question in a previously 'already started' thread? What was wrong with the original thread where the question was asked? Is this a direct attempt to illicit more 'free advertising'? Surely giving this thread such a title is an indication of promotion. - Isn't it?

 

At least 50% of Bossman's 60 or so posts so far are 'self promoting' his business, either directly or indirectly. This of course makes me wary when I see his name there, wondering what the underlying intent of his posts are. Is he joining in the general helicopter discussion, or simply here to promote and advertise. 'Come fly with us' as a slogan suggests the latter.

 

As has been discussed already, the rules are that the forums are not for advertising.

 

Posting of advertisement without prior consent from Vertical Reference is grounds for registration removal, message deletion, or other actions by the website owner.

 

However, MARPAT have paid for an advertisment (very kind of them) and they deserve to get their return for it. That doesn't allow them to breach the Board Guidelines though.

 

So Bossman (and everyone), when posting, should abide by the rules as well, regardless of whether they have paid for the advert on this page. That means no advertising in public forums.

 

There are many other members who are busniness owners too. If everyone started (and were allowed) self promotion their businesses then this forum would quickly degrade into an 'Ebay' style advertising fest. That - no one wants.

 

I'm sure Bossman and Co. have noticed that there are a great many 'potential' clients that frequent this forum and advertising through this forum may be very fruitful. I wonder if they have also noticed that out of all the recent posts, only theirs seem to be 'self-promoting of their business'. I think that this is a virtue of this site...that it doesn't allow direct harrassment from business owners in the forums.

 

 

Solutions?? - a couple of ideas which might take the heat off a little:

 

1. Don't use the forums as a venue for direct promotion of your business. You are posting here as any other forum member.

 

2. When responding to direct questions about your business, use PM instead.

 

3. As MatCobs last few messages sort of have, generally speak in the third person without mentining names. Bossman's use of 'we' and 'us' all the time suggests direct advertising.

 

4. Why not redesign your 'advert' on the page to include an invitation for forum members to 'Send Private Message to Bossman for more information'. I'm think this would be an acceptable way of making your advert work for you.

 

As I said, in this case I didn't think there was too much wrong. Nevertheless, I do feel that at times Bossman's posts are close to the boundries of what is acceptable, and moreover, I feel that Bossman knows this. That he is deliberately using this forum for promotion, and thinks either a) the mods are too stupid to spot the advertising in his posts, or / and maybe by some technicality he could argue that he wasn't advertising, just merely 'responding' to a question!

 

Bossman, tone it down, do it properly and abide by the rules and give the moderators more credit - while they tolerate a lot, they are not as stupid as you might think. The Administrator (with the help of a pretty fair moderating team) have created an atmosphere which attracts many of prospective students daily making it it to be the great 'potential' recruitment source which you have obviously spotted for exploitation. It would be ironic wouldn't it, if continued posts like yours (and more from others) ended up driving those prospective students away who want to avoid advertising harrassment?

 

That's why the moderators sometimes 'get their panties in a wad'!'

 

Joker

 

P.S. Just to reiterate, based on the posts on this thread - Bossman and Mattcob are members just as any other members. For this reason I am NOT IN FAVOUR of any sort of 'connecting footnote to the business' on their general forum posts. PMs OK. Incidentally, in the personal preferences of each board member there is the option to put your own details in.

[Nuke]

Joker,

Very well said.

 

I too have taken Bossman's post as direct advertising. I had even thought that Dlo was affiliated with Bossman and his school and started the thread to prompt the advert.

I may be way off base but that was the impression I got.

 

Kudo's to the moderators and admin's for this site and keeping it a forum and not a spam heaven!

[dlo]

Joker,

Very well said.

 

I too have taken Bossman's post as direct advertising. I had even thought that Dlo was affiliated with Bossman and his school and started the thread to prompt the advert.

I may be way off base but that was the impression I got.

 

Kudo's to the moderators and admin's for this site and keeping it a forum and not a spam heaven!

 

 

I am by no means, affiliated with bossman or his school, I have only been around for a week or two and I am over in california, while he is on east coast. not saying that it could happen, but trust me, I am by no means, affiliated with ANY helicopter flying school, I hate them all equaly, unless they provide training less then the other 5,000 schools. I didn't know he even owned a school, I thought he was a personal trainer using his personal heli. I am serious as a heart attack. I am brand new, new student with only five or so hours under my belt and have not choosen a school yet, as there are many to choose from...

 

thanks dlo

[bossman]

Joker,

It is very hard to not sound self promoting when someone talks about things they know and do everyday. I speak of things I know about. Just as you speak of what you believe and know. People are free to make up their minds as to where they want to live or train. I do not get on this forum and say that our school is the best in the country. I do not put down other schools. As a matter of fact, until you and a few others decided that this thread was trying to promote MARPAT Aviation it had never been mentioned. Yes, I do have the "Come Fly With Us" slogan at the bottom of my posts. It is an open invitation to anyone and everyone. You show up at my facility and you can fly if you have the desire. It will not cost you a penny. It's what we do and what we love. I know that you and a few others will say that I am using this reply to you as advertising. It is not intended to be advertising. It is a reply to your comments in the terms that I know. Another thing, nobody said the moderators were not smart. They have reined me in a couple of times already. I guess they'll have to do it again. Enjoyed reading your list of suggestions. They went in file 13.

"Come see us"

Bossman

[wheatbix]

close the thread and be done with it.

 

Its just been derailed and isnt going to get anywhere.

[bossman]

Joker,

Very well said.

 

I too have taken Bossman's post as direct advertising. I had even thought that Dlo was affiliated with Bossman and his school and started the thread to prompt the advert.

I may be way off base but that was the impression I got.

 

Kudo's to the moderators and admin's for this site and keeping it a forum and not a spam heaven!

Nuke,

You ARE way off base. Nobody is trying to spam the forum. dlo is not affiliated with my school. As said before, I speak of what I know and do. No advertising intended.

Bossman

[Nuke]

As I said in my post, I may be off base!

However, My Perception is that your posts all relate to advertising of your business!

Again, That is my perception, and it seems to be others also.

[HH60Pilot]

Joker,

It is very hard to not sound self promoting when someone talks about things they know and do everyday. I speak of things I know about. Just as you speak of what you believe and know. People are free to make up their minds as to where they want to live or train. I do not get on this forum and say that our school is the best in the country. I do not put down other schools. As a matter of fact, until you and a few others decided that this thread was trying to promote MARPAT Aviation it had never been mentioned. Yes, I do have the "Come Fly With Us" slogan at the bottom of my posts. It is an open invitation to anyone and everyone. You show up at my facility and you can fly if you have the desire. It will not cost you a penny. It's what we do and what we love. I know that you and a few others will say that I am using this reply to you as advertising. It is not intended to be advertising. It is a reply to your comments in the terms that I know. Another thing, nobody said the moderators were not smart. They have reined me in a couple of times already. I guess they'll have to do it again. Enjoyed reading your list of suggestions. They went in file 13.

"Come see us"

Bossman

 

Bossman,

 

I've been a member of this board for 3 1/2 years and have made hundreds of posts in that time (the post counters were reset to zero when Rey re-did the board a year or so ago). And, like yourself I also own a flight school. You say that it is very hard to not sound self promoting when talking about something that you know and do everyday. In all of the posts that I have made, I have mentioned that fact that I own a flight school only a handful of times, and then only when it was needed to support the post (as in this case). Never in the time that I have been a member of this board have I ever been accused of using my posts to advertise my business. Now, what I can't seem to figure out, is that if I can post without being accused of self promotion, then why can't you?

 

As I've said before, if people are telling you that they are perceiving your actions as being something other than what you are intending, then take it as feedback that you should alter how you are posting.

 

Just my two-cents.

 

Doug

[joker]

Bossman,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

As a matter of fact, until you and a few others decided that this thread was trying to promote MARPAT Aviation it had never been mentioned.

 

I deliberatlely started my (long) post before by saying that I did not think it was 'out of order' either! I agree.

 

I followed that with what is my perception of your posts in general - mainly refering to previous posts. I stand by that too.

 

However, I do believe that you are honest in what you do.

 

However, I do think that you may have judged this board's ethos wrong. Sometimes too 'in your face' which is interpreted by many as being advertising. I like HH50Pilot's post as an example. I stand by that.

 

Most of all though, I don't bear grudges. I may disagree (maybe even quarrel) with members here. I never let it get so personal that it causes me to feel animosity to people here...unless they directly insult me. I always try to mend 'differences' with either factual backup, or civil disucssion ending in agreement to disagree. I know that I am not perfect...

 

So to that end, I wish you good luck in your business. I hope that you will take on board the messages in my posts and others', but I sincerely hope that you continue to enjoy and support this forum. We always appreciate posts from anyone in the helicopter industry, especially those with experinece. I too will consider whether I have been too harsh and wrongly judged your posts.

 

Joker

 

P.S. A personal favourite: It is not what or how you say something that is most important. Most important is how it is understood or interpreted.

[bossman]

HH60,

You know, I don't know why my posts are viewed as self promoting. They are not intended that way.

Mike