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What is the story . If I get my private with the intention of eventually getting all my tickets where do I stand . Will a helo company rent me there helicopter with my measly 40 hours or so....or do they look at it the same way as the commercial insurance works . We will not let any one fly in one of "our " insured birds unless you have x amount of hours . so if this is the REALITY....then the PPL is just a piece of paper unless you have your own helicopter . AM I right or am I missing something . I know that insurance companies write the rules............ thanks - Garvey :P

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What is the story . If I get my private with the intention of eventually getting all my tickets where do I stand . Will a helo company rent me there helicopter with my measly 40 hours or so....or do they look at it the same way as the commercial insurance works . We will not let any one fly in one of "our " insured birds unless you have x amount of hours . so if this is the REALITY....then the PPL is just a piece of paper unless you have your own helicopter . AM I right or am I missing something . I know that insurance companies write the rules............ thanks - Garvey :P

 

 

You usually rent from the same shop you learned to fly at....usually.

 

If you want to fly somewhere else, you have to check out "their" rules....they all have differing requirements..

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What is the story . If I get my private with the intention of eventually getting all my tickets where do I stand . Will a helo company rent me there helicopter with my measly 40 hours or so....or do they look at it the same way as the commercial insurance works . We will not let any one fly in one of "our " insured birds unless you have x amount of hours . so if this is the REALITY....then the PPL is just a piece of paper unless you have your own helicopter . AM I right or am I missing something . I know that insurance companies write the rules............ thanks - Garvey :P

Depends, the school that trained me had no problem renting me a helo after I had my private. I even went back a year or so later and all they required was an hour with one of the CFI's and I started renting again.

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Depends, the school that trained me had no problem renting me a helo after I had my private. I even went back a year or so later and all they required was an hour with one of the CFI's and I started renting again.

Chris

 

Sounds like you went to a reputable school, not like Mazzei in fresno who won't rent to their students after spending thousands of dollars to get the rating.

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The hire or not to especialy to a person who has trained with the Company would be a topic for discussion.

If the peple who I trained with would not hire to me after getting a licence I would have not spent my £\$ with them.

I did ask them IF!! I got my licence could I hire from them?? there was no problem, they even phoned to say the helio is not hired this weekend and did I want to hire? sort of collect Friday return Monday.

Perhaps they felt I would not do anything silly and not every one was as lucky.

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It has nothing to do with being reputable or not, it has to do with insurance. Some places are covered to "rent" but if you are continuing on with another rating you are covered. So they carry you as a student not a "renter".

 

Another possibility is look into renters insurance, I just heard AOPA has some for helicopters. But if you are continuing on to get all your ratings, as you stated, you are really not a renter

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It has nothing to do with being reputable or not, it has to do with insurance. Some places are covered to "rent" but if you are continuing on with another rating you are covered. So they carry you as a student not a "renter".

 

Another possibility is look into renters insurance, I just heard AOPA has some for helicopters. But if you are continuing on to get all your ratings, as you stated, you are really not a renter

 

So let me get this straight, You go to a school who has no problem "renting to you solo as a student" and than you receive your rating and ask to rent to build hours and they say NO you are not a student anymore. Come on thats the lamest excuse I heard. I have been flying for 38 years and guess what, I am still learning evertime I get into a machine, so in essence I am still a "student". I think any school who is willing to take your money and train you should know how you fly and should be willing to rent to you, before and after receiving your rating. This is another scam, stay away from any school that does this, Mazzeis included.

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I am with you Hoverflyr

PAY them multi £\$ they should rent to you! to me the most dangerous time was being sent of to do a 70 mile route with 2 landings with Sigs and comments from the towers, at unknown airfields then home.

There you are no instructor on your own no gps. the map, the radio, all those things to do and remember, when I got back the first thing I thought was Thank GOD, then the feeling of satisfaction, you remembered most of what you should have, then you think of the little things that were not quite right the 1100 ft. should have been 1000ft, not re setting Gyro enough (how far of track good job there was a land mark check on the FPlan).

Every time I fly I learn that is one of the things that gives me the buzz

But Remember to ask the Question on starting your training, if reply is NO!

GO some where your $\£ is appreciated, a licence is no good if you cant fly, especialy if you only want to fly for pleasure

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So let me get this straight, You go to a school who has no problem "renting to you solo as a student" and than you receive your rating and ask to rent to build hours and they say NO you are not a student anymore. Come on thats the lamest excuse I heard. I have been flying for 38 years and guess what, I am still learning evertime I get into a machine, so in essence I am still a "student". I think any school who is willing to take your money and train you should know how you fly and should be willing to rent to you, before and after receiving your rating. This is another scam, stay away from any school that does this, Mazzeis included.

 

Before you blame the schools for this "scam", perhaps you should take a look at how aviation insurance policies work.

 

You'll see that a lot of insurance policies do not include rental and if they do include rental, there are restrictions on who can rent the bird (i.e. students who have "graduated" your programs, must have 75 total heli hrs, factory school, etc.)

 

Pathfinder--Robinson's insurance company--has quite a few restrictions on who can rent R22s, and at least up until a few years ago did not allow rental on R44s at all (do they now?). If you were named on the insurance for a R44, you could only take one passenger after the 100hr mark, then you couldn't take all three pax until you hit 200hrs. And just like the R22, you had to attend there safety school.

 

If you have insurance on your helicopter to give dual instruction in it, you most likely can let a student solo in it. But that's a lot different than "rental". Solo time is supervised, an instructor can limit the student to wantever he/she wants, it's only in good weather, and there is no passenger that can get killed. Rental is a free for all.....a school can get a "rental agreement" signed, but that doesn't really protect the insurance company. The insurance will put a minimum hour requirement, but that person with their private certificate can LEGALLY go fly in in 300/1 in class g all day long with a liability (errr....passenger.) See where the logic is?????

 

If the policy is written for solo flight, you can still "solo" after you get your private. There is quite a bit of solo time req'd for the commercial. So as long as you're going for your commercial or other rating, you are still a "student" and can solo to build hours. With that understanding, you don't have to pay sales tax on the time either.

 

Now, the places to stay away from.......Anyone that has just "personal" insurance. If they are not insured for dual instruction, their policy probably forbids giving it, plus performing emergency procedures, and is probably written for that person(s) experience only. So, you're not going to get to do very many autos and when it comes time to solo, you won't be able to do it in their helicopter. So what other school or person is going to take you under their wing and let you solo and teach emergency procedures in their helicopter ONLY? Not gonna happen. Plus, when you get your certificate and have 50 hrs or so (well under the least experienced person on that policy), they're definitely not going to pay the extra $$$ to name you on the insurance.

 

BTW, that AOPA renter insurance policy is worthless. You have to have 500+ hrs, it's only good for ONE tail number, and it's about $1000/yr. Just be really careful when you rent.....you should already be doing that though.

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BTW, that AOPA renter insurance policy is worthless. You have to have 500+ hrs, it's only good for ONE tail number, and it's about $1000/yr. Just be really careful when you rent.....you should already be doing that though.

 

Yikes!!! :o I was going to get the AOPA policy and they did not mention those hour requirements and nore that I am only covered on one tail#. They did mention a similar price though. They are just waitting on my check! I better call my agent and get some clarification. Glad I caught this post!

Permison

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Yikes!!! :o I was going to get the AOPA policy and they did not mention those hour requirements and nore that I am only covered on one tail#. They did mention a similar price though. They are just waitting on my check! I better call my agent and get some clarification. Glad I caught this post!

Permison

 

Now that's the way it was a little over 2 years ago when it first came out. It may have changed. Let us know.

 

But why are you going to spend $1,000/yr+ on that insurance??? Anything that happens to the helicopter, its going to be up to the school to go after you for the money. And it's the price of doing business in the helicopter industry. Anything mechanical they won't be able to stick you with and anything else, they'll have to prove negligence. And if it's anything grossly negligent, the insurance isn't going to cover you in the first place. If you trained there, you can use the defense, "They didn't train me well enough."

 

We had students and rental pilots damage helicopters, and in every case it would have been VERY hard for us to get the money out of the person. Like I said, the cost of doing business.

 

I would get together all the students and rental pilots and form a fund held by the school. For every hour you fly, you kick in $10 to fund the deductable if someone breaks something. Most airplane schools and rental places do the same.

 

I would skip the insurance unless you are going to be renting a LOT......like 100-200+ of hours a year.

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Now that's the way it was a little over 2 years ago when it first came out. It may have changed. Let us know.

 

But why are you going to spend $1,000/yr+ on that insurance??? Anything that happens to the helicopter, its going to be up to the school to go after you for the money. And it's the price of doing business in the helicopter industry. Anything mechanical they won't be able to stick you with and anything else, they'll have to prove negligence. And if it's anything grossly negligent, the insurance isn't going to cover you in the first place. If you trained there, you can use the defense, "They didn't train me well enough."

 

We had students and rental pilots damage helicopters, and in every case it would have been VERY hard for us to get the money out of the person. Like I said, the cost of doing business.

 

I would get together all the students and rental pilots and form a fund held by the school. For every hour you fly, you kick in $10 to fund the deductable if someone breaks something. Most airplane schools and rental places do the same.

 

I would skip the insurance unless you are going to be renting a LOT......like 100-200+ of hours a year.

 

The Agent is checking the requirements for me. She is going to send me a copy of the agreement before I commit. Regardless I will be over the 500 limit, so it will not effect me directly but I worry when I find out about things like this from sources other then the agent. I do rent a lot normally. I am dual rated and fly cessnas for business trips a lot. Sometimes as much as 20 hours a month so there is value in this for me. I know where I rent fixed wings from I am responsible for the deductable if something happens. Where I rent helicopters they say it is at their discression if they will come after me for the deductable.

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