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Army selects the R22 as the new primary trainer

 

 

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Well, not really,

 

saw this on Trade-a-plane, thought it was kinda cool, not something you see everyday.

 

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This would be perfect for a paintball aerial assault. Guns on the skids and a door gunner. I wonder if there's a way to add a bomb rack?

 

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This would be perfect for a paintball aerial assault. Guns on the skids and a door gunner. I wonder if there's a way to add a bomb rack?

 

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Witch- you just stole my idea..I was thinking we could drain the aux fuel tank...I was just figuring out how many paintballs I could shove in there instead..that tank makes for one helluva paintball hopper !

 

Gives " Robbie Rangers" a whole new meaning !

 

Goldy

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Gives " Robbie Rangers" a whole new meaning !

 

Goldy

 

Ooohh Raahhhh

 

I must say, I told Mike (IP) that the guys at work were going to play paintball at this guys house and he has about 20 acres of logged and third growth and new growth. Bonner came up with the idea of me flying in with paintball guns on the skids. Eric said he'd be the door gunner. I yelled "AERIAL ASSAULT!!!". Anyway, I said no because how'd I explain all the paint on the helo to Jerry, the owner. Mike laughed and said I could land at a car wash and push the bird into a bay and wash it. Yeah, and next thing you know there's a photographer for the Register-Guard taking pictures and there I am on the front page with an unusual story about helocopters at a car wash. No thanks. Especially after that guy got busted for landing on a train.

 

Anyhow, end of story.

 

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I need DSL dammit!

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good question, as far as i know tho, as long as the N-numbers meet the regulation? - the FAA dont care if ya paint it to look like a flying saucer from mars.

 

As far as impersonating a police officer, government official, helicopter, or the likes of that? dunno. I have seen some of the old TH-55's that were painted up to look like original army issue--heck ! the army/govt affiliated agencies even sold 'em to the general public in that paint scheme !

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Army selects the R22 as the new primary trainer

 

:lol: :lol: I think Mr. Robinson would have to be The Godfather to negotiate a deal for the R-22 to become the primary trainer of the U.S. Army, ya know, "I'll make them an offer they can't refuse."

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It would take more than that. The military couldn't afford to use a piston aircraft. Everything else is turbine, and it would require more training, a completely new fuel system, training for the fuel handlers, and everything else in parallel. Ain't gonna happen. I learned to fly in a piston model (TH55), but those went away not long after I went through flight school. The TH55 is an excellent trainer, far better than the R22 IMO, but none of the military services will ever go back to pistons.

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, but none of the military services will ever go back to pistons.

 

Maybe they ought to. Handling JP-4 and avgas are basically the same, can't 'hot start' a piston, lower cost, lower maint cost, cheaper to repair... I bet any pilot that can fly the squirrelly Robbie would be a more graceful pilot in a turbine.

 

On another note, I hear that Cessna, I think, has a diesel engine for one of its models. Also, Mercedes is building a diesel engine for aircraft. I'm wondering if one could put a diesel in a Robbie? I don't know about "Die Schweizer". Possible?

 

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Maybe they ought to. Handling JP-4 and avgas are basically the same, can't 'hot start' a piston, lower cost, lower maint cost, cheaper to repair... I bet any pilot that can fly the squirrelly Robbie would be a more graceful pilot in a turbine.

 

On another note, I hear that Cessna, I think, has a diesel engine for one of its models. Also, Mercedes is building a diesel engine for aircraft. I'm wondering if one could put a diesel in a Robbie? I don't know about "Die Schweizer". Possible?

 

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Hey, Witch... the army doesn't even do diesel anymore - it's JP8 in everything from Blackhawks to space heaters. Seriously, when you look at the logistics of handling another type of fuel, another aircraft manufacturer etc, it's cheaper to just use the TH-58. It isn't like the Vietnam years when the Army was training thousands of helicopter pilots at a time. Helicopters (and pilots, especially student pilots) were considered disposable and the Army was satisfied to get one good tour in country from them. Now there's a lot fewer slots (and a lot fewer losses) and many, if not most of these pilots are staying in. But I dirgess... So have you done a weight and balance to determine how many paintballs the Skycrane could carry?

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On another note, I hear that Cessna, I think, has a diesel engine for one of its models. Also, Mercedes is building a diesel engine for aircraft. I'm wondering if one could put a diesel in a Robbie? I don't know about "Die Schweizer". Possible?

 

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It's not really a diesel and lots of FW manufactures are headed that way. 100LL is likely going to go away because it's expensive to refine, transport, etc and tetra-ethyl-lead is extremely nasty to the people who make it and to the environment. The new engines use deisel engine technology and run like a diesel. They actually burn Jet-A which is usually more common and cheaper than 100LL avgas.

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Sorry Pogue, I don't have any info on the crane or paintballs. My guess is if it holds 20,000 pounds of water, it ought to hold 20,000 pounds of paint, but I'm just guessing-it could be more.

 

As for fuel, I guess it would make sense to just use the OH whatevers. Maybe the Army could retrofit small turbines into R-22's? Just thoughts rambling through my head and causing the voices in my head to yell louder because of the noise. Luckily, quiet hour is in an hour. Now if that one voice would stop singing YMCA...

 

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The new engines use diesel engine technology and run like a diesel. They actually burn Jet-A which is usually more common and cheaper than 100LL avgas.

 

The engine is not named diesel for the fuel it burns, the fuel is named after the engine, which is named after the creator of the diesel engine, Rudolph Diesel. Regardless of what it burns, a diesel engine is a diesel engine. In fact, diesel engines are capable of burning nearly any slow burning petroleum distillate, and many other types of slow burning fuels, like vegetable oil, and other light cooking oils.

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Maybe they ought to. Handling JP-4 and avgas are basically the same, can't 'hot start' a piston, lower cost, lower maint cost, cheaper to repair... I bet any pilot that can fly the squirrelly Robbie would be a more graceful pilot in a turbine.

 

On another note, I hear that Cessna, I think, has a diesel engine for one of its models. Also, Mercedes is building a diesel engine for aircraft. I'm wondering if one could put a diesel in a Robbie? I don't know about "Die Schweizer". Possible?

 

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I was out at RH this year and I heard Mr. Robinson tell us they looked at the aviation diesels for helicopter use. He said they are all still too heavy to install in a light helicopter. I guess the R66 is going to be a turbine. :blink:

 

RW

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I was out at RH this year and I heard Mr. Robinson tell us they looked at the aviation diesels for helicopter use. He said they are all still too heavy to install in a light helicopter. I guess the R66 is going to be a turbine. :blink:

 

RW

I did the pilot Safety Course in September and a number of employees said the R66 would have a turbine (one source even said Rolls-Royce). A couple of people said that if they can ever find a diesel powerplant that works, they will most likely produce R66's in both turbine and diesel versions.

 

What is the law or rule whatever with painting your helo to look army..........is that legal!!!??? Garvey

Dunno for sure, but there are plenty of war birds which retain original paint schemes and insignias. The T-28C in the hangar next to our helicopters has a full military paint job. We toyed with the idea of putting together a group to buy an OH-6A which had been repainted as it had been when it was in RVN, complete with the "Low Level Hell" logo, along with unit designations. It had some patches over bullet holes, too...

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