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Hello,

I have looked in to flight training and wanted to know what are the best flight schools out there and are there enough job posibilities out there? The schools that I have talked with say that there is a shortage of pilots, is this true and what are the chances of getting a good job with the training received from a good flight school. Any info would be great.

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There are a ton of jobs on the market, for qualified pilots... If you work hard, show yourself to be a professional, and learn everything you can about flying, getting a job is not hard.

 

Odds are perhaps 50/50 you'll get a job with the school you trained at, higher at some, lower at others.

 

To be sure, a school telling you that there is a pilot shortage is a self-serving statement, however there are in fact a lot of unfilled jobs out there, and a lot of people working overtime to cover them...

 

That being said, don't become a professional pilot because of a pilot shortage, do it because you want to fly.

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thank you for the input.

I have started flight instruction locally here but I am in the process of selling house, cars and alot of stuff to chase after my love in life and just wanted to do some checking after finding this website.

I have been flying hot air balloons for fun for 6 years now and finally got to a point where starting over to do something i want to do is ok, so thanks again for the input.

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thank you for the input.

I have started flight instruction locally here but I am in the process of selling house, cars and alot of stuff to chase after my love in life and just wanted to do some checking after finding this website.

I have been flying hot air balloons for fun for 6 years now and finally got to a point where starting over to do something i want to do is ok, so thanks again for the input.

 

 

Wow - hot air ballons - having read that Martha King had every rating in every aircraft it made me wonder - I always wanted to get a hot air balloon instrument rating and then shoot an ILS - just to hear the comments on the radio!!!!!!

 

"ehhh, 25G, drifting left of course, let us know in a couple of hours when you get to the outer marker!"

 

"Roger, 25G currently on 5 mile final, ETA Wednesday"

 

LOL!!! If only.

 

:P FFF

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There are a ton of jobs on the market, for qualified pilots... If you work hard, show yourself to be a professional, and learn everything you can about flying, getting a job is not hard.

 

Odds are perhaps 50/50 you'll get a job with the school you trained at, higher at some, lower at others.

 

To be sure, a school telling you that there is a pilot shortage is a self-serving statement, however there are in fact a lot of unfilled jobs out there, and a lot of people working overtime to cover them...

 

That being said, don't become a professional pilot because of a pilot shortage, do it because you want to fly.

FWIW you're not the only one considering doing a "life overhaul" to make this happen...and I agree with the other poster that says to do this if it's what you want to do and love to do...not just for the potential employment, and especially not for the money first and foremost. That's how I ended up in I.T. and that's how I find myself looking at a career change at 37 years old. If this is what you love to do, the money and the how will come.

 

As far as the house selling, etc. I know where you are at there, too. I'm looking at doing the very same thing, rather than go into student debt over this...but if I do so, it's "all in".

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FWIW you're not the only one considering doing a "life overhaul" to make this happen...and I agree with the other poster that says to do this if it's what you want to do and love to do...not just for the potential employment, and especially not for the money first and foremost. That's how I ended up in I.T. and that's how I find myself looking at a career change at 37 years old. If this is what you love to do, the money and the how will come.

 

As far as the house selling, etc. I know where you are at there, too. I'm looking at doing the very same thing, rather than go into student debt over this...but if I do so, it's "all in".

 

I'm right there too. About to turn 36 and hate my IT life (worse I am in management so I don't even get to play with the cool toys anymore). The nice thing I have going for me is I am going back to aviation but it's been 14 years since I got paid to fly. Had my fill of the idiots in IT and I am walking away from 6 figures a year. No family, just me and the dog, but the calling is strong and if I wait any longer then I will be too old to go back to flying. It wasn't a hard desicion for me. The money is nice in IT but I really believe when you go the only thing you take are your memories. When I am 90, I would rather be hanging out with stories about flying then budgets, staff and software. Life is about quality not quantity. Course my garage already looks like a viagra commercial with a Corvette, a crotch rocket, 2 snow baords, rock climbing gear, and a plane, so maybe I already got that quantity everyone is looking for.....but I don't think it was worth it. Here's to starving on low pay, but a fun job!

Permison

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I'm right there too. About to turn 36 and hate my IT life (worse I am in management so I don't even get to play with the cool toys anymore). The nice thing I have going for me is I am going back to aviation but it's been 14 years since I got paid to fly. Had my fill of the idiots in IT and I am walking away from 6 figures a year. No family, just me and the dog, but the calling is strong and if I wait any longer then I will be too old to go back to flying. It wasn't a hard desicion for me. The money is nice in IT but I really believe when you go the only thing you take are your memories. When I am 90, I would rather be hanging out with stories about flying then budgets, staff and software. Life is about quality not quantity. Course my garage already looks like a viagra commercial with a Corvette, a crotch rocket, 2 snow baords, rock climbing gear, and a plane, so maybe I already got that quantity everyone is looking for.....but I don't think it was worth it. Here's to starving on low pay, but a fun job!

Permison

You know (again for what it's worth) my flight school is also hurting for part-time instructors. I'm looking right now at keeping my day job on flex schedule (we work 2 shifts...not an option for everyone). So I don't know...it may not be 100% necessary to starve during that 2 or 3 years of instructing. As I understand it, that could be whittled down to 12-18 months before you get that full-time gig. But if you parted with some of the toys, then maybe things would be easier.

 

Yes, nothing like the burn-out world of IT to really make you think. And what is the future? Middle management running a group of individuals (read: neckbeards with Linux t-shirts)? You can count me out.

:lol:

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Should be plenty of jobs in the future. I just returned from a small gathering of ole roterheads, seven in total. Lots of stories and memories, but not a current physical in the bunch.

 

VHPA website states there were 46,000 Helo pilots that participated in the conflict in SE Asia, between 1962 and 1974. The youngest of that group is now approaching 55 years of age, many of us are past 60 and a large number have already made their final approach.

 

Us old folks would like to think that you have big shoes to fill. The one sure thing is, you have a lot of shoes to fill.

 

Those of you that are in the early stages of your aviation career will not have near the competition for jobs that my generation encountered. The military has increased the time in service obligation for aviation training and is serious in their attempts to retain aviators. You won't have 25-35 thousand Helo pilots with 2-3 thousand hours of turbine time, chasing the available jobs.

 

Keep Safe and remember: airspeed, altitude and fuel are your friends!

 

Two questions for you guys/gals in training.

 

1. Does a common housefly do a roll or a loop to execute a inverted landing on a

ceiling?

 

2. Does a common housefly fly straight and level with gear down or retracted?

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Hello,

I have looked in to flight training and wanted to know what are the best flight schools out there and are there enough job posibilities out there? The schools that I have talked with say that there is a shortage of pilots, is this true and what are the chances of getting a good job with the training received from a good flight school. Any info would be great.

 

I started out flying with a guy that had his own heli, made things real laid back and easy. Problem was it was too easy, not enough ground training and flying time. I went to HAI, Florida which was a great school, good ground training and stage checks that really prepared you to pass that checkride the first time. The school was 141 and really growing, I think they were experiencing growing pains and it was hard to fly more than 2hrs/day due to student-heli ratio.

There are a few things that help you get that first job besides good training. Most first jobs are in the R22 as an instructor. I recommend getting R22 time, Robinson Safety course, CFII rating and keep your weight under 180lbs.

Just my opinion!

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Two questions for you guys/gals in training.

 

1. Does a common housefly do a roll or a loop to execute a inverted landing on a

ceiling?

 

2. Does a common housefly fly straight and level with gear down or retracted?

 

 

1. (Just a guess)...a loop!

 

2. (Thought I saw this on Discovery or something)...retracted!

 

By the way...thanks for the encouraging words!

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I sure don't know the answers to the fly questions, but they have been asked over many bottles of beer for years.

 

I have heard that all the answers are available on the WWW. This is all that I could find.

 

Perhaps there is an aeronautical engineer lurking around, who could tell me what this stuff means.

 

 

Title:

 

Flight Performance and Visual Control of Flight of the Free-Flying Housefly (Musca Domestica L.) III. Interactions Between Angular Movement Induced by Wide- and Smallfield Stimuli

Authors:

Wagner, H.

Publication:

Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London. Series B, Biological Sciences, Volume 312, Issue 1158, pp. 581-595

Publication Date:

07/1986

Origin:

JSTOR

Bibliographic Code:

1986RSPTB.312..581W

 

Abstract

The flights of free-flying houseflies are analysed in different behavioural and environmental situations. The angular movements about the vertical body axis are characterized by a cascade of steplike changes of long axis orientation (`turns'). Most of these turns are separated by periods of little or no rotation. Turns about the vertical axis are short (under 120 ms). They are performed at angular velocities of up to about 4000 deg s-1. These characteristics are found (i) when a single fly cruises in a stationary environment; (ii) if the visual input is eliminated; (iii) if a textured surround (optomotor stimulus) is moved around the fly; (iv) during visually guided pursuit of small targets in stationary as well as in moving environments. Optomotor stimulation increases the number of turns in the direction of pattern motion relative to those against it. This leads to a correlation between the average angular velocity of the fly and the stimulus velocity. However, optomotor stimulation does not interfere with chasing and tracking. A model is proposed that qualitatively accounts for the observed behaviour in free flight of houseflies.

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A strange turn to the thread indeed, but sort of interesting!

 

Old Warrior (and anyone else that wants to know)

 

This is incredibly geeky, but my wife is a biologist and has studied insects and entymology a bit, hence we have textbooks in the house. As I too have been in discussions over beers about flies, I looked it up one day.

 

From what I can decipher about the abstract you posted it means:

"The angular movements about the vertical body axis are characterized by a cascade of steplike changes of long axis orientation (`turns')."

err... They make turns.

 

"They are performed at angular velocities of up to about 4000 deg s-1." [degrees/second, 11.1 revolutions a second]

They can make turns really fast

 

"Most of these turns are separated by periods of little or no rotation."

In between turns they occasionally fly straight.

 

"Optomotor stimulation [see below] increases the number of turns"

Swat at them and they avoid you.

 

"However, optomotor stimulation does not interfere with chasing and tracking"

They can turn it off when they are chasing other flies.

 

 

A fly's eyes are hard wired to its wings and legs so its brain doesn't have to think about moving if it sees danger, it just happens, 'Optical' stimulation causes a 'motor' response. Hence the term 'Optomotor'

After the phrase was coined, it was discovered that flies also sense air movement very accurately and perceive it as a threat (hence the appearance of constantly turning flight).

 

 

As for the landing discussion:

"They somersault. They fly along very close to the ceiling, reach up with their front feet, grab hold, and flip over."

-The Fly in Your Eye, Jim Heath, 1989, Entomology Division of the CSIRO, Australia

 

There are high speed photos of flies in flight (showing the somersault landings) in Werner Nachtigall's entomology texts.

I couldn't read the explanations as they were in German.

 

Gear up or gear down?

"Only one family of flies fly in a streamlined posture with middle legs pointing forward and pressed to the thorax [mid body]... Others fly with their middle legs straddled laterally or trailing backwards."

- Acta Zoologica 83 (2), 125–147, Frantsevich and Gladun 2002.

 

 

 

There. I wonder if my wife will ever find a need to look up something in the AIM or in Wagtendonk... I doubt it somehow! :D

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