amenra Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 This is why it is so important to be constantly aware of your surroundings no matter how many times you have flown the same areas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXFdMDDYGOA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zemogman Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Ouch...that looked like a good 10 to 15 ft. off the ground...I'm glad they were all ok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwalling Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I've seen that one before! Old one. Here's another one, goes good with it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james28 Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 theres been a post on this vid i think, either way it never gets old watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovergirl Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Man, I shouldn't watch these things before I fly... I can totally picture myself doing something like that. I like the rather subdued and depressed "crap" on the first one. That's a bad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 The first one could have been avoided by just having a painted square to land and take off from...$5 bucks worth of paint vs a 350,000.00 aircraft...hmmm..probably not worth the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy 01 Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 old vid but still entertaining, just glad everyone was ok. As a curiosity, here in oz when ground marshaling or being crew chief you are supposed to check and shout clear if it is ok for the pilot to lift off - how does being under the door count as clear?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fastlane Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Haven't seen the first one before. Daayum! Good tip, and glad everyone was OK. On the second clip, I read somewhere on the net that the passenger riding left seat, hit the cyclic exiting the aircraft WAY TOO SOON. Didn't listen to the pilot. The stick did a darn good job saving that one, IMHO. Never under-estimate the power of stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomer Pylot Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 One of the perils of hovering so %$#*& high. Lots of things will hurt you trying to hover way up there. A standard 3-ft hover will save your a$$ more often than not. There's a reason it's standard. Lots of reasons, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotorWeed Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 One of the perils of hovering so %$#*& high. Lots of things will hurt you trying to hover way up there. A standard 3-ft hover will save your a$$ more often than not. There's a reason it's standard. Lots of reasons, actually. Why is a 3 foot hover safer then a 6 foot hover? RW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zemogman Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Seems only "half" as safe to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparker Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Seems only "half" as safe to me... Or is it twice as safe? I'm confused.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomer Pylot Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Take a close look at the avoid area of the height velocity diagram for your helicopter. You need to stay out of it. Putting the tail rotor into the top of the hangar door was far, far into it. 6 feet is inside it for many models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Why is a 3 foot hover safer then a 6 foot hover? RW If you had a total engine or tail rotor failure while hovering you will be on the ground in one form or another in about one second. Would you like to fall from 2 feet or from 10 feet? 2 feet doesnt even scratch the skids...from the video you can see what 10 feet feels like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Hunt Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Gomer, it wasn't his tail rotor, it was his main. See how the machine was pushed back and down. If it was a tail, he would have spun first. The gouge on the door would have looked different, too. It was ripped from the side, not buzzed from underneath. And ask Frank Robinson if he prefers pilots to hover at 6 feet or 3 feet. He will tell you that there has never been an R22 crashed because they hovered too high and had an engine failure, but the books are full of aircraft which dug a skid into the ground and rolled up because of hovering too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomer Pylot Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 I've never talked to Mr. Robinson, but I'm not sure he would say that. Surely the Robbies have a height-velocity diagram, and surely it has a maximum safe hover height. If you hover inside that area, then you are guaranteed to bend metal if the engine fails. If you are outside it, then you should be able to do a successful autorotation, provided you're reasonably competent as a pilot. Hovering too high will always result in an accident if the engine fails. Of course students have dug a skid and rolled up, almost always when moving backwards, and usually when trying to land from a hover. Hovering at the proper height is an essential skill, and should be taught by an experienced instructor. That isn't always the case. I still believe that hovering at a skid height of 3 feet is the safest, and it makes me cringe when I see someone hovering at 10 or 20 feet when there is no reason to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatnlazy Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 In the robbie -10 they show and speak of a 2 ft hover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldy Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Gomer, it wasn't his tail rotor, it was his main. See how the machine was pushed back and down. If it was a tail, he would have spun first. The gouge on the door would have looked different, too. It was ripped from the side, not buzzed from underneath. And ask Frank Robinson if he prefers pilots to hover at 6 feet or 3 feet. He will tell you that there has never been an R22 crashed because they hovered too high and had an engine failure, but the books are full of aircraft which dug a skid into the ground and rolled up because of hovering too low. Eric- you are absolutely correct. Frank teaches a 5 foot hover to keep from snagging a skid...due to the fact that you have student pilots hovering the thing....the extra margin of safety compared to the minimal risk of engine failure is worth it. However, once you learn to fly the damn thing, I feel much safer at 2-3 feet...cause I have figured out what that collective stick thingy actually does! So, like anything I think a lot has to do with where you are in the learning curve. I still have a lot to learn, but I think I have hovering pretty down pat. Now in wind or gusty conditions, I will hover higher because the 22 is such a light bird even a 7 or 8 knot gust will surprise you. Goldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zemogman Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 What is this "hovering" thing you all speak of??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannabe heli pilot Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 What is this "hovering" thing you all speak of??? I was looking in the 22 poh and all I saw was performance charts for ige, oge and in the hv diagram shows take off profile of 5' till 45kts then climb out at around 60kts. At 0kts it recomends 10' max for pilots with normal abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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